Originally posted by Phoenix2001
The problem with most pro-life supporters is that they think too much about the future. And that's not good... because they're living in nothing more than fantasy.
Exactly, I said this before.
Don't concentrate on what you think it will become, because the future is conceptual, it doesn't exist. What does exist is the present, so concentrate on what it IS.
That being a foetus, just a foetus, with as much of a "future" as it's mother decides it will have.
-AC
A lot of people are posting here without anything to back up their arguments.
Also, Alpha,if you think that you're unable to rebut an argument that is being made, don't automatically try to portray the person who made that point as someone just shooting their mouth off-it just makes you look like you can't think of anything relevant to say. Abortion is killing a child-it may be unfashionable, it may be uncomfortable, but it's the truth, backed up by scientific evidence. If you can't think of any reason why this isn't so, there's no need to post anything, least of all something as offensive as that.
Originally posted by §ilent
A lot of people are posting here without anything to back up their arguments.
Also, Alpha,if you think that you're unable to rebut an argument that is being made, don't automatically try to portray the person who made that point as someone just shooting their mouth off-it just makes you look like you can't think of anything relevant to say. Abortion is killing a child-it may be unfashionable, it may be uncomfortable, but it's the truth, backed up by scientific evidence. If you can't think of any reason why this isn't so, there's no need to post anything, least of all something as offensive as that.
You just exposed the number one subliminally weapon of pro-lifers; Positive word choice. What is "Positive word choice"? I'll show you.
You talk about science, scientific proof, but you go on to call in a child, just because you are emotionally intent on depicting it as a cute baby. It's not, it's a floating, barely formed lump of flesh. Abortion is killing a foetus, that's what it's called. Scientifically, it's called a foetus. Call it that as opposed to calling it a child/baby and see how much emotional outrage you stir up. It'll be considerably less.
-AC
Originally posted by Kritish
Why do the Child's parents get to decide? It's not there body. Or I suppose you think Children are property.
Same reason you're parents decided things for you... Children are not mature enough to make the best decisions for themselves sometimes. A parents responsibility is deciding for a childs best interest, or at least that is one of the numerous aspects of being a parent. Go ask for parents, they'll tell ya.
Originally posted by §ilent
A lot of people are posting here without anything to back up their arguments.
Also, Alpha,if you think that you're unable to rebut an argument that is being made, don't automatically try to portray the person who made that point as someone just shooting their mouth off-it just makes you look like you can't think of anything relevant to say. Abortion is killing a child-it may be unfashionable, it may be uncomfortable, but it's the truth, backed up by scientific evidence. If you can't think of any reason why this isn't so, there's no need to post anything, least of all something as offensive as that.
Show us some of that scientific evidence then. I'd really like to know how that science has proved that a foetuse is even a child in the first place.
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Microscopic organisims also eat, excrete, not sure about breathing, but they do need oxygen, move, and act intiutively. They also carry their own DNA structure seperate from their parent or 'mother.' Basically, microscopic organisims are alive, just as much so as a baby, a man, a woman, a child, a dog, a cat, etc. etc. etc. and no one seems to call wiping off deadly bacteria from your hands murder. So what is your point?
Are you comparing a human life to the likes of bateria? How is that relevant?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That plus the main, crucial fact that it is theirs. It's their property, they created it, the mother is sustaining it.-AC
So by that rational, your mother could kill you and it would be ok? After all she created and sustained you for nine or so months. Sorry, that is not a valid point when dealing with another person's life.
Originally posted by Robtard
Are you comparing a human life to the likes of bateria? How is that relevant?
Well... yes, only for the mere fact that they are living. They survive like we do. They die like we do. And we kill them, day, after day, after day, after day. And why do you not consider this murder?
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Show us some of that scientific evidence then. I'd really like to know how that science has proved that a foetuse is even a child in the first place.
Actually there is proof. Link But it's out of date.
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Well... yes, only for the mere fact that they are living. They live like we do. They die like we do. And we kill them, day, after day, after day, after day. And why do you not consider this murder?
Simpliest answer, I do not hold microscopic bacteria as high as i hold the life of another human.
Or, bacteria can be harmself, so in self preservation I can protecting mmyself.
Seriously, this is a non issue, comparing the killing of bacteria to justify abortion... Come on now. There's far better pro-choice talking points than that.
Originally posted by Robtard
Correction, the thread cricles because people do not grasp [B]your point. Resorting to name calling in a discussion of this nature is really pathetic. [/B]
Name calling? Oh, you mean idiot? Idiot has a definition that is applicable, so no, it's not pointless, it's with reason.
People here generally do not grasp points, like you. You read someone's post and then asked them what it meant. Reading, it solves such problems.
Originally posted by Robtard
So by that rational, your mother could kill you and it would be ok? Afterall she created and sustained you for nine or so months. Sorry, that is not a valid point when dealing with another person's life.
I have a current life, a current consciousness and all the other good stuff that comes with being a 20 year old human being. A weeks/months old foetus is still being kept ALIVE in the womb by the mother.
This is precisely what I meant about not getting points. I make a clear and concise point, and your response is to ask me a ridiculously hysterical, hyperbolic question that has no bearing on anything to do with abortion.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Name calling? Oh, you mean idiot? Idiot has a definition that is applicable, so no, it's not pointless, it's with reason.People here generally do not grasp points, like you. You read someone's post and then asked them what it meant. Reading, it solves such problems.
Lol, again, all you can do is say 'idiot' make personal attacks while stomping your little feet because someone dares question your logic, childish. By the way, asking question's is a BIG part of debating.
I have a current life, a current consciousness and all the other good stuff that comes with being a 20 year old human being. A weeks/months old foetus is still being kept ALIVE in the womb by the mother.This is precisely what I meant about not getting points. I make a clear and concise point, and your response is to ask me a ridiculously hysterical, hyperbolic question that has no bearing on anything to do with abortion.
-AC
Actually there's valid bedate over when a fetus becomes 'conscience', just because it benefits your point of view that a fetus is nothing more than cellular muck being kept alive doesn't make it so.
Originally posted by Robtard
Simpliest answer, I do not hold microscopic bacteria as high as i hold the life of another human.
Precisely, because you cannot relate to it's actions, therefore you act out of your own instinctive animal behavior.
Originally posted by Robtard
Or, bacteria can be harmself, so in self preservation I can protecting mmyself.
You have again proven my point again. In your failure to understand the actions of a single-celled organisim, that is merely acting out instinctively to survive, you kill it for your own survival.
Originally posted by Robtard
Seriously, this is a non issue, comparing the killing of bacteria to justify abortion... Come on now. There's far better pro-choice talking points than that.
But a foetuse carries similar characteristics as a single bacteria in that it can't think/reason nor feel, therefore there is no reason for us to believe that a foetuse carries human characteristics such as emotions, or believe that it carries the ability to be consciously aware of something. It is competely irrational.