Abortion

It's limited to point to abortion and call it non-murder based on the country in which it takes place. AC is right, abortion is not murder. That doesn't change based on geography.

Exactly.

If a christian judge sent a main to jail on a murder charge when it was manslaughter, that's be despicable.

-AC

Originally posted by Cataclysm

From an atheistic point of view, what difference does it make? Our whole existence is meaningless, so who cares if a fetus is murdered? (that should raise a few brows)

MURDER – is a legal term, it is the “UNLAWFUL killing of another human being”, as opposed to legal killings like executions, manslaughter (accidents) and war, and the slaughter of livestock. Sine an unborn foetus is not even a full human being capable of independent life; it falls in a category of its own.
But an abortion is NOT murder. It is not killing a human being, since a foetus is not a human being yet. This is a crucial point here. Whether YOU personally agree with abortions or not is irrelevant; it is NOT murder, since murder it is NOT the unlawful killing of another human being or a PERSON (An individual of specified character).

Why do people feel they have to keep reiterating what I've said if I'm saying the exact same thing, and it's still not making a blind bit of difference?

-AC

Because it's possible that some pro-lifers have a whole bunch of us on "Ignore" in order to create the illusion that everyone is pro-life. Thus, the more people that say it, the less likely that it'd be ignored.

Then do you really think that a single poster is going to get their attention? I'm not intending this as a pop, I just find it frustrating that everytime I bury it for a while, someone has to dig it up.

-AC

False hope I suppose...but if it is not continually disputed, newcomers to the argument, especially those who cannot be bothered to read through the thread, will come to the conclusion that abortion is indeed murder, which is wrong and misleading, especially with the connotations of evil attached to the word.

AC> I've just decided to C&P my old post EVERYTIME someone posts MURDER in here...

I find this comic quite accurately sums up this threadhttp://meninhats.com/d/20040114.html

Originally posted by crazylozer
I find this comic quite accurately sums up this threadhttp://meninhats.com/d/20040114.html

Lol, good post.

Originally posted by crazylozer
I find this comic quite accurately sums up this threadhttp://meninhats.com/d/20040114.html

Thought I'd put it right here so no need to link 😉

Yeah. Good one…
Morals can’t be judged objectively.
The problem seems to be, that one side in this debate can’t just accept the other sides POW.
I’m in favour of a woman’s right to choose an abortion and have no problem as such with people who’re against abortion. Fine, they should simply choose NOT to have an abortion if they become pregnant and do not want the child. Their choice.
The problem is that they do not as willingly accept it if I choose to have an abortion.
If we could simply agree to disagree that would be the end of that.

nonono dont end it yet, let's see if we can make it to 375 pages

Originally posted by The Omega
Yeah. Good one…
Morals can’t be judged objectively.
The problem seems to be, that one side in this debate can’t just accept the other sides POW.
I’m in favour of a woman’s right to choose an abortion and have no problem as such with people who’re against abortion. Fine, they should simply choose NOT to have an abortion if they become pregnant and do not want the child. Their choice.
The problem is that they do not as willingly accept it if I choose to have an abortion.
If we could simply agree to disagree that would be the end of that.

If this is your stance Omega, than what was your problem with me? I already made it clear that although I am against Abortion, I would never vote to ban it. I accept that it's ultamately the woman's right to choose, since its her body that will suffer the damage if she does go through with Childbirth.

NOWW...its okay to think abortion is wrong as long as you don't try to limit freedom of choice ?

Did i miss something? 😉

I don't believe it is right to abort a baby. I believe that even under the worst circumstance of concieving, that baby was made for a reason that God has for you and your life! But that is just my opinion.

Who's choice is it anyway? The executioner? or the executed?!?! Do not correct what you think is a mistake by a sure mistake.

"Most of the time what we THINK make sense doesn't make sense at all. And that is why I only believe half of what I think. And the smartest answer you will ever get out of me is a question"(TheSpinner)

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If this is your stance Omega, than what was your problem with me? I already made it clear that although I am against Abortion, I would never vote to ban it. I accept that it's ultamately the woman's right to choose, since its her body that will suffer the damage if she does go through with Childbirth.

NOWW...its okay to think abortion is wrong as long as you don't try to limit freedom of choice ?

Did i miss something? 😉

I seem to recall you went into rhetorics suchs as "murder" and "immoral".
But, yes, certainly. As long as NO ONE tries to FORCE their personal opinions down my throat they can have the opinion I want.
Now, you can not physically ever have been in a situation were abortion was an issue for you, nor will you ever.

Originally posted by TheSpinner
Who's choice is it anyway? The executioner? or the executed?!?! Do not correct what you think is a mistake by a sure mistake.

Right. Do not go through the mistake of an unwanted pregnancy and make the sure mistake of having to raise an unwanted child.

Originally posted by The Omega
I seem to recall you went into rhetorics suchs as "murder" and "immoral".
But, yes, certainly. As long as NO ONE tries to FORCE their personal opinions down my throat they can have the opinion I want.
Now, you can not physically ever have been in a situation were abortion was an issue for you, nor will you ever.

I already dropped the "murder" point long ago.

I still think Abortion is immoral in most cases, because to me it is killing for convienence, unless its in the cases of being done for the mother's survival, or in the case where she was raped.

No, i would never enforce my opinion. My opinion is my own, and in no way a valid structure to govern another's life.

Abortion can very much be an issue for me in the case where I get a woman pregnant, and want to have my child while she doesn't. In this case, yes it would be a major issue. Physically? No, only emotionally and mentally. However, I don't really want kids ne way, so that might not be an issue, plus I don't plan on marrying a woman since I am more attracted to men....

So basically is Abortion is personal issue for me? Not really....but I still have my opinion on the matter, and as long as I am not enforcing my opinion I don't see a reason for me to be critisized for having it. 😉

Originally posted by The Omega
Right. Do not go through the mistake of an unwanted pregnancy and make the sure mistake of having to raise an unwanted child.

If you are not intelligent enough to simply use condoms or other contraceptives to avoid the unwanted pregnancy in the first place, I wonder How intelligent you could be when deciding somebody's fate.

You do not have to raise an unwanted child but you don't have to kill that child either. Have you ever heard of adoption??????? I guess that is a concept too unintelligent for your own intelligence.

"Not all the problems in this universe have one and only one solution"

Spin your head a little my friend! and you will come to see that: "Many things that we think make sense, don't make sense at all"

Originally posted by TheSpinner
If you are not intelligent enough to simply use condoms or other contraceptives to avoid the unwanted pregnancy in the first place, I wonder How intelligent you could be when deciding somebody's fate.

You do not have to raise an unwanted child but you don't have to kill that child either. Have you ever heard of adoption??????? I guess that is a concept too unintelligent for your own intelligence.

"Not all the problems in this universe have one and only one solution"

Spin your head a little my friend! and you will come to see that: "Many things that we think make sense, don't make sense at all"

thank god condoms and other contraceptives are 100% effective...oh wait...they're not 😬