Originally posted by New Faith
Go to hell.And stop spamming this thread. Let it die the death it deserves.
It's four and a half years old. R.I.P. I say.
I will...once I knock up a girl and make her get an abortion.
And this thread is not finished until everyone accepts that abortion is necessary and the right of every woman.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm looking forward to your proof whob.
Your intelligence is not ready yet for my proof.
Do not confuse your plain annoyance with intelligence.
Go AWAY! Your are a "fetus" ( intelligence wise) and I am exercising my right to abortion on you. And just like with any fetus in any abortion your opinion ain't worth a sh*t. 😉 and I just flushed you down the toilet, enjoy your eternal spin! 😄
SO LONG!
Originally posted by TheSpinner
Your intelligence is not ready yet for my proof.Do not confuse your plain annoyance with intelligence.
Go AWAY! Your are a "fetus" ( intelligence wise) and I am exercising my right to abortion on you. And just like with any fetus in any abortion your opinion ain't worth a sh*t. 😉 and I just flushed you down the toilet, enjoy your eternal spin! 😄
SO LONG!
I like this guy.
Assuming he's being serious.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I already dropped the "murder" point long ago.
Good.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I still think Abortion is immoral in most cases, because to me it is killing for convienence, unless its in the cases of being done for the mother's survival, or in the case where she was raped.
Maybe I dislike your word “convenience”, because you make it sound like abortion is an easy choice to every woman/girls who has the procedure performed.
Accidents happen, and I want control of MY OWN life. If I get pregnant and do not wish to become a parent what happens is my choice. Should a girl rather drop out of college and become a mum, or wait until she’s done with college, has a nice job and financial means and THEN become a parent? I think the latter is the FAR better choice for all involved.
And what I chose back then.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
No, i would never enforce my opinion. My opinion is my own, and in no way a valid structure to govern another's life.
And if you had the power to govern and change laws, then what would you do?
See, I would make sure every teenager had proper sex-ed and knowledge of contraceptives of all kinds, not just to protect them against unwanted pregnancies but also all kinds of diseases. And then still give girls a choice if an accident happens.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Abortion can very much be an issue for me in the case where I get a woman pregnant, and want to have my child while she doesn't. In this case, yes it would be a major issue. Physically? No, only emotionally and mentally. However, I don't really want kids ne way, so that might not be an issue, plus I don't plan on marrying a woman since I am more attracted to men....So basically is Abortion is personal issue for me? Not really....but I still have my opinion on the matter, and as long as I am not enforcing my opinion I don't see a reason for me to be critisized for having it. 😉
Yes, I understand that if you want a child and your girlfriend does not, you are left out. But that only happens in relationships that – frankly – shouldn’t parent kids anyways. The man and woman should discuss what to do, once the pregnancy is discovered and each should have their say.
Originally posted by TheSpinner
If you are not intelligent enough to simply use condoms or other contraceptives to avoid the unwanted pregnancy in the first place, I wonder How intelligent you could be when deciding somebody's fate.
But you think the person NOT intelligent enough to use condoms etc should be a parent??? Yeah… GOOD idea, Spinner… No wait… HORRIBLE idea.
Originally posted by TheSpinner
You do not have to raise an unwanted child but you don't have to kill that child either. Have you ever heard of adoption??????? I guess that is a concept too unintelligent for your own intelligence.
No one is killing children, Spinner. A foetus is not yet a child. And women are not breeding machines for childless couples. There are million of poor, starving kids in the 3rd world – among things – thanks to religious institutions who forbid contraceptions!
And don’t addressing my intelligence. You’ll loose any day.
Originally posted by TheSpinner
"Not all the problems in this universe have one and only one solution"
Spin your head a little my friend! and you will come to see that: "Many things that we think make sense, don't make sense at all"
True not every problem has the ONE solution of giving birth to an unwanted child.
Originally posted by The Omega
Good.
Okay then 😉
Originally posted by The Omega
So, do you think war is immoral in most cases, because it is also killing?
Yes, I certainly do. But I also classify war as a "Necessary Evil". The same way I consider abortions a "Necessary Evil". You can't just NOT have war, a nation NEEDS to defend itself. Until the human race is mature enough to achieve peace, war is an inevitable need.
Same with Abortion. I do not think it is moral is most cases, but that doesn't mean that I think we should ban it either. If we stopped allowing abortions entirely, there would be an overpopulation and a strain on our resources. WORSE things may happen.
Sometimes to ensure a better result, you need to do the "morally wrong" thing. Sometimes you have to make the immoral decision to have a healthier and safer result. 😉
Point....Killing to me is an immoral action. However, it is also a necessity, unfortunately. But its necessity does not make it morally good. Are all morally good things actually necessary? No.....Necessity and Morality to me are not entirely linked.
Originally posted by The Omega
Maybe I dislike your word “convenience”, because you make it sound like abortion is an easy choice to every woman/girls who has the procedure performed.
Then this is a misunderstanding on your part, or a failure to make clarification on my part. I never said Abortion was "the easy way out"...Abortions can be not only physically straining, but emotionally straining as well. MANY women have reported to having regret having an abortion in the long run.
When I said "killing for one's convienence" I meant that I beleive that an Abortion being done for reasons other than rape or survival, are done out of selfishness rather than necessity. There are some women who have had casual abortions, and the thought of that sickens me, sorry. I know not all women do that, i know that most women think hard before they have an abortion, and do not just have it like its nothing.
But to say" I can't have this baby, right now's not the time"....when is it EVER the time? My mother had me when she was 16, she had no job nothing, her teachers and freinds told her to get an abortion. She chose not to, had me, straightened her life out, and now she and I are veryyyy well off and have a great relationship. Imagine she had that abortion 😉 lol
You never know.....you never know how great things can turn out if you DO have the child. I'm not saying that's enough reason to not have an abortion, but to just jump to the conclusion that "I can't do it right now" is to me, an act of fear, irresponsibility, and selfishness.
I can understand if the woman doesn't have a cent to her name, can't get a job, and has no support....then she cannot raise a baby..although she CAN give it up for adoption......
Point is...there are other options. To terminate the feotus, and prevent an entire life being (not to mention generation) from existing, simply because this doesn't fit into your schedule to me seems to be nothing more than killing for your convienence, and those WORDS alone make me sick.
Originally posted by The Omega
Accidents happen, and I want control of MY OWN life. If I get pregnant and do not wish to become a parent what happens is my choice. Should a girl rather drop out of college and become a mum, or wait until she’s done with college, has a nice job and financial means and THEN become a parent? I think the latter is the FAR better choice for all involved.
And what I chose back then.
Your choice is your own, and I would never argue with YOU if you decided to have an abortion. Still, my opinion is the SAME, and I have every right to speak it. And if it pisses you people off that my opinion is not the same as yours, then too bad.
Yes, it would be much smarter to have the child later when you are financially ready. But what right does any human have to decide the fate of another life? I think the Abortion here, is a "necessary evil".
Originally posted by The Omega
And if you had the power to govern and change laws, then what would you do?
See, I would make sure every teenager had proper sex-ed and knowledge of contraceptives of all kinds, not just to protect them against unwanted pregnancies but also all kinds of diseases. And then still give girls a choice if an accident happens.
If I had the power to govern and change laws, I'd leave abortion an option, but i would promote Sexual Education to its fullest. ALL OPTIONS available, INCLUDING abortion and abstinence, the extremes. Choice to me is equally important to life. Safe Sex, etc. u name it. I'd make sure it was all taught. 😉
Originally posted by The Omega
Yes, I understand that if you want a child and your girlfriend does not, you are left out. But that only happens in relationships that – frankly – shouldn’t parent kids anyways. The man and woman should discuss what to do, once the pregnancy is discovered and each should have their say.
And who are you to say that these parents shouldn't have kids anyway? My mother and father had me, they were definately NOT compatable, yet here I am fine and well, healthy, productive, and happy as hell, as are my parents.
Please dude...debators here often make it sound as if the fact is if the mother and father aren't parent material, then the child should not be born period...what a cop out. 🙄
But yes.....the man and woman SHOULD discuss what to do, and decide what's best together, although in the end the woman's choice matters more, because SHE is the giver of birth. 😉
Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm waiting for a new and witty joke about the poll question, the ones we get are all boring...and the same basically.
*Pays special attention to the demand for something "new" and "witty"...*
Poll question: Do you believe in abortion?
Me: Well, eh, yeah, I, uh, believe in it, but, eh, I, uh, wouldn't nail it to a cross, um, eh, write a book about its life, hmm, ooo, build a bunch of depressing buildings and, uh, f*ck a donkey with a fossilised squid pierced through it's heart! With, uh, like stupid shoes and shit on its ears!
Arghahahahahahahahahahahahaha...something like that, B? Something like that? Arghahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...atchooooo...argh...arghahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...ad infinitum.
What with all these wonderful whobs running around, has anyone noticed a whirly? That guy was coo-L.
Abortion: It's not for kids.
Originally posted by The Omega
Good.But you think the person NOT intelligent enough to use condoms etc should be a parent??? Yeah… GOOD idea, Spinner… No wait… HORRIBLE idea.
No one is killing children, Spinner. A foetus is not yet a child. And women are not breeding machines for childless couples. There are million of poor, starving kids in the 3rd world – among things – thanks to religious institutions who forbid contraceptions!
And don’t addressing my intelligence. You’ll loose any day.True not every problem has the ONE solution of giving birth to an unwanted child.
You must not have read the adoption part in my answer. If you are going to argue my answer. Argue my answer as a whole not just a part of it that satisfies you desires. I could have easily provided a partial answer for your own convenience . But I happened not to be just about convenience. I will walk the extra miles not to make things any more wrong than they already are.
Abortion is never RIGHT all the time nor is it WRONG all the time . But if it is done purely for your own convenience then guess again! Because to me you are all about "Self Service ". and my cat has more fundamentals about life than you do.
Intelligence my dear is never threatened by intelligence. It embraces it and try to feed on it. So please do not hold back your intelligence, It can only make me more intelligent. Unless of course you are all about Self Service. And do not care about any others.
Intelligence is not static intelligence is very dynamic. so don't fool yourself and think otherwise. And this is not all about wining or losing but rather about truly understanding .
I never said my solution is the only solution. I said my solution is another solution. Therefore my LOGIC will still apply just try to understand it next time before you reply.
"Abortion is Neither RIGHT nor WRONG, doing it just for convenience is TOTALLY WRONG "
"I only believe half of what I think "(TheSpinner)
Originally posted by TheSpinner
You must not have read the adoption part in my answer. If you are going to argue my answer. Argue my answer as a whole not just a part of it that satisfies you desires. I could have easily provided a partial answer for your own convenience . But I happened not to be just about convenience. I will walk the extra miles not to make things any more wrong than they already are.Abortion is never RIGHT all the time nor is it WRONG all the time . But if it is done purely for your own convenience then guess again! Because to me you are all about "Self Service ". and my cat has more fundamentals about life than you do.
Intelligence my dear is never threatened by intelligence. It embraces it and try to feed on it. So please do not hold back your intelligence, It can only make me more intelligent. Unless of course you are all about Self Service. And do not care about any others.
Intelligence is not static intelligence is very dynamic. so don't fool yourself and think otherwise. And this is not all about wining or losing but rather about truly understanding .
I never said my solution is the only solution. I said my solution is another solution. Therefore my LOGIC will still apply just try to understand it next time before you reply.
"[B]Abortion is Neither RIGHT nor WRONG, doing it just for convenience is TOTALLY WRONG
""I only believe half of what I think "(TheSpinner) [/B]
Well said brother !👆
And I'm dying to see how Omega will answer my replies.