Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, I certainly do. But I also classify war as a "Necessary Evil". The same way I consider abortions a "Necessary Evil". You can't just NOT have war, a nation NEEDS to defend itself. Until the human race is mature enough to achieve peace, war is an inevitable need.Same with Abortion. I do not think it is moral is most cases, but that doesn't mean that I think we should ban it either. If we stopped allowing abortions entirely, there would be an overpopulation and a strain on our resources. WORSE things may happen.
Sometimes to ensure a better result, you need to do the "morally wrong" thing. Sometimes you have to make the immoral decision to have a healthier and safer result. 😉
Point....Killing to me is an immoral action. However, it is also a necessity, unfortunately. But its necessity does not make it morally good. Are all morally good things actually necessary? No.....Necessity and Morality to me are not entirely linked.
See, we’ll probably end up agreeing on many things maybe 😄
See, in a “perfect” world there would be no need for abortions nor any need for war. The former would be the case, because a child would not be in the way for a woman to make a living or get an education or a career. Or maybe, in a perfect world, contraception would be 100 % foolproof.
And it is also a fact, that in countries were abortions is legal and accessible, the rate is far lower than in countries were it is illegal.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Then this is a misunderstanding on your part, or a failure to make clarification on my part. I never said Abortion was "the easy way out"...Abortions can be not only physically straining, but emotionally straining as well. MANY women have reported to having regret having an abortion in the long run.
Then I misunderstood your USE of the word convenience. My apologies. There’s also the simple depression post-abortion due to the hormones going “huh, what happened there,” and the fact that there is a risk (however minimal it may be) that the procedure may damage a woman’s conceptive ability so to speak.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
When I said "killing for one's convienence" I meant that I beleive that an Abortion being done for reasons other than rape or survival, are done out of selfishness rather than necessity. There are some women who have had casual abortions, and the thought of that sickens me, sorry. I know not all women do that, i know that most women think hard before they have an abortion, and do not just have it like its nothing.
See, I do not see a selfish reason as being the wrong one when it comes to parenthood. It’s not a dog or a new couch you’re getting. It’s a very big responsibility. Using abortions as some kind of peculiar contraceptive is also wrong in my book. But most girls/women DO protect themselves from unwanted pregnancies… That alone should tell anyone that they do not WANT children at the moment of their lives. I want parents to WANTS and WISH for a child.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But to say" I can't have this baby, right now's not the time"....when is it EVER the time? My mother had me when she was 16, she had no job nothing, her teachers and freinds told her to get an abortion. She chose not to, had me, straightened her life out, and now she and I are veryyyy well off and have a great relationship. Imagine she had that abortion 😉 lol
It is NOT the time when you’re almost a child yourself, in the middle of an education, do not have a steady partner and the surroundings to raise a child. And had you mum chosen an abortion we’d not be having this discussion. Some people are strong/mature enough to HAVE kids at a young age… But seriously… Look around you… Others most definitely are NOT!
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You never know.....you never know how great things can turn out if you DO have the child. I'm not saying that's enough reason to not have an abortion, but to just jump to the conclusion that "I can't do it right now" is to me, an act of fear, irresponsibility, and selfishness.
You never know… your never know how terrible things can turn out if you DO have the child. See? It’s pointless to speculate. I do not think ONE specific gene-pool, independent of the surroundings mean ANYTHING. And to me “I can’t do it right now” is all the reason you need. The girls/womans LIFE and FUTURE is at stake here… She should NEVER place HER needs second in such a situation. Child-abuse, broken homes, broken youngsters is all the proof I need…
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I can understand if the woman doesn't have a cent to her name, can't get a job, and has no support....then she cannot raise a baby..although she CAN give it up for adoption......Point is...there are other options. To terminate the feotus, and prevent an entire life being (not to mention generation) from existing, simply because this doesn't fit into your schedule to me seems to be nothing more than killing for your convienence, and those WORDS alone make me sick.
Again: A woman is not a breeding machine for childless couples. Millions of children in 3rd world countries die each year from starvation and illness. Adopt THEM first! Help THEM first. Don’t bring more kids into the most energy-consuming part of the world if the woman doesn’t want to. That viewpoint makes me sick.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Your choice is your own, and I would never argue with YOU if you decided to have an abortion. Still, my opinion is the SAME, and I have every right to speak it. And if it pisses you people off that my opinion is not the same as yours, then too bad.Yes, it would be much smarter to have the child later when you are financially ready. But what right does any human have to decide the fate of another life? I think the Abortion here, is a "necessary evil".
I already had an abortion many years ago. I was 19, the contraception failed, the relationship was just “for fun” and I hadn’t even started uni yet. Again, what right does anyone have to decide the fate of the pregnant woman?? Here life will be changed forever if she is forced to have a child.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And who are you to say that these parents shouldn't have kids anyway? My mother and father had me, they were definately NOT compatable, yet here I am fine and well, healthy, productive, and happy as hell, as are my parents.
And who are you to say people SHOULD have the child anyway? I had an abortion and here I am, fine and well, healthy and productive and happy as hell.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Please dude...debators here often make it sound as if the fact is if the mother and father aren't parent material, then the child should not be born period...what a cop out. 🙄But yes.....the man and woman SHOULD discuss what to do, and decide what's best together, although in the end the woman's choice matters more, because SHE is the giver of birth. 😉
Dude? I am a girl! 😄 Some people may rise to the occasion, others will not. That your parents managed is not empirical evidence that ALL will rise, you know? Again, child-abuse, broken homes, broken people is all the evidence you need. They also WANTED you, yes? So there’s a difference.