Abortion

Not every child is going to get adopted you twit! Do you realize how much pressure a woman puts on the economy itself if she allows a birth and hands the child over to a social services? Obviously not. Many children die every day due to starvation. Are you willing to let horrific events such as starvation make a child suffer to his or her last breath? There is nothing more inhumane than the suffering of living beings period. It's better that the mother have an abortion if she does not want the child than have the child and still not want a child.

Originally posted by MARCMAN
About 43% of American women will have one (or occasionally more) abortions during their lifetime. Women's centers and hospitals perform more than a million abortions per year. Abortions are obviously in great demand. But why?

Women have many reasons for not wanting to be pregnant, and thus to seek an abortion. Many are related to:
-Age: Most abortions are done on women under the age of 25.
-Marital status: Most women seeking abortions are unmarried; many are separated from their spouse.
-Economic status: Many are poor

In a study by Torres and Forrest (1998) -- based on 1987 data --
The vast majority (in excess of 90%) of abortions are sought for personal reasons NON OF THESE ARE VALID REASON AND ARE JUST PLAIN MURDER - YOU WANTED TO HAVE SEX SO NOW ACCEPT THE RESULT AND GIVE THE CHILD A LIFE OR GET IT ADOPTED BY A FAMILY THAT CARES:
-21% feel that they do not have the financial resources to bring up a child.
-21% feel that they are not ready for the responsibility of bringing up a child.
-16% feel that their life would be changed too much. She might have a plan for her future (education, developing a career, etc.) that does not allow for having a child at the present time. She might be looking after an elderly parent and does not have sufficient time or energy to commit to a baby.
-12% feel that her relationship with her partner is in difficulty.
-11% feel that they are too young, and not sufficiently mature to become a mother.
-In 8% of the cases, her children are grown and she does not want to start another family, or that she has all the children that she wants.
-Some of these reasons may be influenced by:
-Pressure from the father or from her parents to have an abortion.
-She feels that she lacks the emotional and physical strength to go through another pregnancy and raise the child.
-She believes that raising an additional child would short-change her existing children.
-She is a student and/or without a partner; she feels that raising a child would be too difficult and disruptive at her time in life.
-She doesn't want other people to know that she became pregnant.
-A child would interfere with her career or education.
-She may fear physical abuse from a parent if they learn of her pregnancy.
-She may fear being tossed out onto the street by a parent if they learn of her pregnancy.
-In the case of a multiple pregnancy, the woman may be faced with giving birth to more newborns than she feels she can deal with.

About 6% of all abortions are sought because either the woman or fetus has medical reasons (THE ONLY THING WHERE ABORTION MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED IS IF DEATH OF THE CHILD OR MOTHER IS CERTAIN AND EVEN THEN I AM NOT 100% SURE):
-The fetus might have been hurt by exposure to high levels of toxic chemicals, medications that might be dangerous to the fetus, alcohol, drugs, etc. They may cause the fetus to be genetically damaged.
-Some girls become pregnant at a very young age, when pregnancy can be dangerous.
-The fetus has a genetic defect or other health problem. Virtually all of the couples who find that the fetus suffers from Down's Syndrome, or a similar defect, elect to have an abortion.
-The woman may develop eclampsia. This involves a sudden increase in blood pressure, and onset of seizures. The results can be fatal to both the woman and fetus. This used to be called toxemia of pregnancy.
-In the case of a multiple pregnancy, some or all of the fetuses will end up with various long-term health problems; some may not survive at all. Physicians will sometimes recommend a selective reduction process where one or more fetuses are killed in order that the remaining fetuses would be born normal.

About 1% of all abortions are sought because of abusive sexual act (THESE ARE VERY VERY SAD AND I REALLY FEEL FOR THE POOR WOMEN WHO GET PREGNANT THIS WAY BUT HERE AGAIN THERE IS NO WAY I AGREE WITH ABORTION. IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE CHILD THEN HAVE IT ADOPTED IN A LOVING FAMILY):
-About ten to fifteen thousand abortions (approximately 1%) annually are sought because the conception occurred after rape or during an incestuous relationship, and the woman does not want to bear a child who was conceived in violence.

1,000,000 abortion per year
well over 90% of these are done but people who did not take the necessary precautions!!! When will people wake up!

Excellent point you made! 👆

However, just imagine how life would be for us if those 1 Million babies WERE BORN.....there would be massive overpopulation, and things would be a lot worse for US now.

I do beleive a woman should think very hard before she decides to get an Abortion, OR even before she decides to GIVE BIRTH for that matter...make sure she knows what she wants to do, and what is best.

I feel Abortion is immoral, but to ban abortion may be even MORE immoral because then we are putting the current population and future populations at risk.....we don't have infinite food, infinite resources, infinite anything.

Although I am personally against Abortion, I am not politically against it. Even though I feel it is a morally wrong action, i do not feel it is evil, and i also feel it may be a necessary evil in the long run. I would rather choose the lesser of two evils.

Abortion < Overpopulation-(which would lead to war, cyclical conflict, prejudices,etc.)

I think a ONE SIDED stance is foolish and ignorant. I think you guys, ALL OF YOU, need to consider ALL THE FACTS instead of ignoring the ones that are inconvienent for you. Abortion is a very complicated matter, with nearly infinite factors and possibilities involved. I do not feel there is a true solution.

If there is a TRUE SOLUTION...it would only be MODERATION. Allow Abortion in the early trimester as an option, but make sure EDUCATION on the matter is extended. 😉

Originally posted by MARCMAN
About 6% of all abortions are sought because either the woman or fetus has medical reasons (THE ONLY THING WHERE ABORTION MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED IS IF DEATH OF THE CHILD OR MOTHER IS CERTAIN AND EVEN THEN I AM NOT 100% SURE)
About 1% of all abortions are sought because of abusive sexual act (THESE ARE VERY VERY SAD AND I REALLY FEEL FOR THE POOR WOMEN WHO GET PREGNANT THIS WAY BUT HERE AGAIN THERE IS NO WAY I AGREE WITH ABORTION.)

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Excellent point you made! 👆

However, just imagine how life would be for us if those 1 Million babies WERE BORN.....there would be massive overpopulation, and things would be a lot worse for US now.

I do beleive a woman should think very hard before she decides to get an Abortion, OR even before she decides to GIVE BIRTH for that matter...make sure she knows what she wants to do, and what is best.

I feel Abortion is immoral, but to ban abortion may be even MORE immoral because then we are putting the current population and future populations at risk.....we don't have infinite food, infinite resources, infinite anything.

Although I am personally against Abortion, I am not politically against it. Even though I feel it is a morally wrong action, i do not feel it is evil, and i also feel it may be a [b]necessary evil in the long run. I would rather choose the lesser of two evils.

Abortion < Overpopulation-(which would lead to war, cyclical conflict, prejudices,etc.)

I think a ONE SIDED stance is foolish and ignorant. I think you guys, ALL OF YOU, need to consider ALL THE FACTS instead of ignoring the ones that are inconvienent for you. Abortion is a very complicated matter, with nearly infinite factors and possibilities involved. I do not feel there is a true solution.

If there is a TRUE SOLUTION...it would only be MODERATION. Allow Abortion in the early trimester as an option, but make sure EDUCATION on the matter is extended. 😉 [/B]

I particularly feel that way myself. Only, my point of view on the matter is totally different. But as far as being a political matter, it should be offered as a choice.

OOOOR! Do not be selfish and have sex if you will abort the baby. This goes to the 90 something % of mothers who abort thier kids.

Come on people! Are some of you saying "Better to kill to innocent child then to deal with the consequeses of having sex?"

You saw the stats. over 90% of people who abort was becasue the "burden" of keeping the baby.

I hava a friend who works at the Crisis Pregancy Center. She knows that 100% of women are a mess when trying to live to the choice to abort.

"Overpopulation" is another term that got used. Here? In USA? I think not.

Anyway, again well over 90% people who end up aborting first chose to have sex, then get rid of the baby. Silly. Just plain silly

its nota 100% more like 98%

Urizen > Crazyloser actually did a good job of answering you, I’ll simply second his post here.
And for goodness sake… Don’t even begin to toss ABSOLUTES as liberal and/or conservative around here. Strange American idea, the two-party state…

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura

But anyway there are places where euthanasia is legal. It is, in fact, absurd that it isn't legal in more places, especially when one considers it is legal for a person to refuse a blood transplant that will save their lives and thus die, yet a terminal patient can't choose to die.

(I think it deals with the… what’s that called Hippocratic Oath???... That doctor’s oath… That’s one of the issues with assisted suicide… )

Space Opera
Words like murder and morals need to be DEFINED – again.

So – morals are motivation based on ideas of right and wrong. Ideas being a key here, as well as “right” and “wrong”, which again are HUMAN terms. There is no absolute moral and no one to tell us what REALLY TRULY IS right or wrong.
Morals have changed over time – once slavery was ok, today it isn’t for example.

MURDER – is a legal term, it is the “UNLAWFUL killing of another human being”, as opposed to legal killings like executions, manslaughter (accidents) and war, and the slaughter of livestock. Sine an unborn foetus is not even a full human being capable of independent life; it falls in a category of its own.
But an abortion is NOT murder. It is not killing a human being, since a foetus is not a human being yet. This is a crucial point here. Whether YOU personally agree with abortions or not is irrelevant; it is NOT murder, since murder it is NOT the unlawful killing of another human being or a PERSON (An individual of specified character).

It’s important to remember, that most states that allow abortions do not do so completely free. There is a limit of 12 weeks here in DK, after that it requires a life threatening complication for the woman before the abortion will be performed. After about 3 months the girl/woman also has had ample time to decide whether or not SHE wants the child.

Originally posted by MARCMAN
OOOOR! Do not be selfish and have sex if you will abort the baby.

😆

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Excellent point you made! 👆

However, just imagine how life would be for us if those 1 Million babies WERE BORN.....there would be massive overpopulation, and things would be a lot worse for US now.

I do beleive a woman should think very hard before she decides to get an Abortion, OR even before she decides to GIVE BIRTH for that matter...make sure she knows what she wants to do, and what is best.

I feel Abortion is immoral, but to ban abortion may be even MORE immoral because then we are putting the current population and future populations at risk.....we don't have infinite food, infinite resources, infinite anything.

Although I am personally against Abortion, I am not politically against it. Even though I feel it is a morally wrong action, i do not feel it is evil, and i also feel it may be a [b]necessary evil in the long run. I would rather choose the lesser of two evils.

Abortion < Overpopulation-(which would lead to war, cyclical conflict, prejudices,etc.)

I think a ONE SIDED stance is foolish and ignorant. I think you guys, ALL OF YOU, need to consider ALL THE FACTS instead of ignoring the ones that are inconvienent for you. Abortion is a very complicated matter, with nearly infinite factors and possibilities involved. I do not feel there is a true solution.

If there is a TRUE SOLUTION...it would only be MODERATION. Allow Abortion in the early trimester as an option, but make sure EDUCATION on the matter is extended. 😉 [/B]

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
No one does that though.

And why should we bother? NATURE already cuts down on overpopulation through the food cycle and through climate changes. Weather and carnivores prevent herbivores from massively populating.

We as human beings feel we have the right to just $@# around with nature all we want. Yes, this is our world to, and we have the right to adapt and change certain things, but change EVERYTHING? We are no Gods, we are not mature enough to **** around with the ecosystem like we always fkn do !

So yes, its immoral and its bullshit. People hunt animals for food, or for thier own hunting pleasure. Who the hell has done it to decrease animal population?

Flip-flopping bastard...

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Originally posted by LighterFluid
Flip-flopping bastard...

Nice TRY MORON👇

That was in response to SOMEONE saying that people should HUNT ANIMALS to decrease population. WTF is your argument????

I am NOT encouraging Abortion as a way to decrease the population. I simply stated that if we BANNED ABORTION WORSE things would happen.

ALSO F.Y.I.- To me, Hunting animals for sport is WORSE than having an Abortion.

What point were you trying to make? 🤨 ?

Originally posted by The Omega
[B]Urizen > Crazyloser actually did a good job of answering you, I’ll simply second his post here.
And for goodness sake… Don’t even begin to toss ABSOLUTES as liberal and/or conservative around here. Strange American idea, the two-party state… [/B]

I beleive you are the one who tossed the Absolutes of being a Liberal or Conservative when you accused me of condoning religious propaganda, simply because I referred to the pregnant woman as a mother, and the foetus as an unborn child. 😉

You are the one who seems to be arguing an "ALL OR NOTHING" stance dear.

Don't accuse me of arguing in terms of Black and White, while my stance is clearly grey and not one sided like your own. And then on top of that you demand I "take a stance" as if there are only TWO FLAT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
arguing in terms of Black and White,

This argument is pretty black and white. At least in terms of definition. Either abortion is murder or it is not.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And then on top of that you demand I "take a stance" as if there are only TWO FLAT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS.

And your argument has been pretty ambigious. You conceed that abortion is right some of the time, but who are any of us to deem any given situation as "the right time"? And if abortion is right 'some of the time'....why is it not right all of the time? You're getting far too involved in yourself. No one person makes descisions for everyone else based on equity. Because no two people are exactly the same. And once you start legislating taste, morals or religion then the law no longer applies equally.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Nice TRY [b]MORON👇

That was in response to SOMEONE saying that people should HUNT ANIMALS to decrease population. WTF is your argument????

I am NOT encouraging Abortion as a way to decrease the population. I simply stated that if we BANNED ABORTION WORSE things would happen.

ALSO F.Y.I.- To me, Hunting animals for sport is WORSE than having an Abortion.

What point were you trying to make? 🤨 ? [/B]

I'm pretty sure that any intelligent person that reads the two posts that I quoted can find the hypocrisy in the posts themselves. I shall elaborate for those of you who don't quite understand:

Post #1:
-Killing to control population is necessary so that suffering is minimized.
-Man has the right to kill to control population

Post #2:
-Killing to control population is unnecessary and "bullshit". Nature does a good enough job.
-"We are no Gods, we are not mature enough to **** around with the ecosystem like we always fkn do !"

There's probably some more in there, but I'm too tired to find the rest.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

That was in response to SOMEONE saying that people should HUNT ANIMALS to decrease population. WTF is your argument????

P.S. It IS really ANNOYING when you CAPITALIZE EVERY other WORD in YOUR SENTENCE.

P.P.S. I am officially not posting in this topic anymore. Not because I feel that I've lost the debate, but because I feel that it is impossible to talk to Lord Urizen, as I expressed earlier in my C++ program post. Toodles.

abortion is the most blessed murder, because it is killing someone who hasnt yet visited this filthy world..

Originally posted by cinemma
abortion is the most blessed murder, because it is killing someone who hasnt yet visited this filthy world..

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Don't accuse me of arguing in terms of Black and White, while my stance is clearly grey and not [b]one sided like your own. And then on top of that you demand I "take a stance" as if there are only TWO FLAT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. 😉 [/B]

Why the hell do you keep repeating this? What makes you think Omega is taking a one sided argument? And what makes you think he's trying to convince you to take a one sided argument?You're assuming there is only two stances here. He's not asking you if your stance is either black or white. He's asking you to clean up your vague comments. But technically you're taking a one sided stance whether you want to believe that or not because you're speaking through your own point of view. And that, in itself, is one sided.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Can everyone just leave the word "murder" out of this? It's not, so why try to continually weave it in?

-AC

Because people who are losing an argument or want to make their case seem better like to use trigger words that make you instinctively want to avoid, stop pursuing the argument or guilt you into agreement. Words like rape and murder are just few of many words that the minute they are heard tend to stop people in their tracks. The biggest of these and perhaps the most used throughout time(I assume it has been used here) is God. For many the minute this word is heard they're forced into a silence never disagreeing, never uttering a word of contradiction for fear of eternal damnation.

God.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
God.

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