I never posted in here but this thread caught my attention
I'm against Abortion. I think if a a chick is woman enough to open her legs for a man then she should be woman enough to have that baby and raise it. Its not the baby's fault. If she don't want it, at least have the heart that God gave you to put in adoption. There are so many couples out there's in need of a child. Its the a way of showing gratitude to life, not by killing it.
I know there are also cases that women have been raped and ended up pregnant. Its really hard I understand, but its not the baby's fault. There are so many ways of not killing a living thing. Women have rights to do whatever they want to their bodies, but they don't have the right to kill life; thats God's decision in doing so.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
I never posted in here but this thread caught my attention
Welcome to the good ol' Abortion Thread
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
I'm against Abortion. I think if a a chick is woman enough to open her legs for a man then she should be woman enough to have that baby and raise it.
Just because you are ready to have sex does not mean you are ready to be a parent. Having children is not the only point or pleasure of sex. Sex in itself is a great thing that everyone deserves to experience, whether Straight, Gay, Youthful or Old.
It is unfair that a woman should have to go throug the AGONY of childbirth, but the man gets away with an easy orgasm.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Its not the baby's fault.
What baby are you talking about ?
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
If she don't want it, at least have the heart that God gave you to put in adoption.
1) Emotions do not come from the Heart, they come from the Brain. Invalid point.
2) God may or may not exist. This myth you all God has no factual connection to morality or Abortion.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
There are so many couples out there's in need of a child. Its the a way of showing gratitude to life, not by killing it.
Then those couples should adopt the parentless children all over the world. This world is already overpopulated with orphan children. Should not those children be adopted and given shelter, instead of neglected and replace by new and unwanted foetuses ?
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
I know there are also cases that women have been raped and ended up pregnant.
And..... ?
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Its really hard I understand, but its not the baby's fault.
It's not the baby's fault because the baby does not exist. It is not a baby until late in its development. A few weeks after conception, it is a zygote...hardly a baby yet...it becomes a "baby" in a few more months....
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
There are so many ways of not killing a living thing. Women have rights to do whatever they want to their bodies, but they don't have the right to kill life; thats God's decision in doing so.
No one has the right to kill an innocent life. Not a human being, and not your imaginary God.
yes, but through the laws of nature, SEX AND PARENTING GO HAND IN HAND: you have sex to have babies. i know that nowadays its not necessarily true, its become how we say 'hello.' here's the salvation for the whole abortion problem: TAKE THE MORNING AFTER PILL. it works, and is NOT an abortion at all. it prevents the egg from droping down the vaginal canal to be fertilized by the sperm. no fertilization happens, so therefore there is no 'fetus,' so that means there is no abortion. my wife decided to take it after we had unprotected sex once, and it worked wonderfully.
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
yes, but through the laws of nature, SEX AND PARENTING GO HAND IN HAND: you have sex to have babies. i know that nowadays its not necessarily true, its become how we say 'hello.' here's the salvation for the whole abortion problem: TAKE THE MORNING AFTER PILL. it works, and is NOT an abortion at all. it prevents the egg from droping down the vaginal canal to be fertilized by the sperm. no fertilization happens, so therefore there is no 'fetus,' so that means there is no abortion. my wife decided to take it after we had unprotected sex once, and it worked wonderfully.
While I do agree that Prevention should be done instead of Abortion, you are contradicting yourself.
You are saying that Sex and Parenting go hand in hand, but then you are saying that you and your wife have sex with birth control.....sounds hypocritical to me.
And your statement is not entirely true. A lot of straight couples have sex and have no children, the same way a lot of parents have thier children through adoption and not through child birth.
You are also disregarding the fact that homosexual sex includes no reproduction.
Factually, Sex and Parenting do not go hand in hand. Most teenagers are mature enough to have a sex life. Many of them are NOT mature enough to be parents.
Urizen, I'm curious, perhaps you'd like to answer some of Alliance's line of questioning considering his misconception of my stance better reflects yours.
Do you believe the EBC pill, medically defined as contraception with one presumed mechanism of action as prevention of implantation of a fertilized ovum, constitutes killing a life?
If so do you still place a distinction in contraception as prevention of pregnancy not being killing, while induced abortion as cessation of pregnancy being so.
If not what distinction do you place between the embryo prior to and post-implantation.
And what does one define spontaneous abortion as?
Just because you are ready to have sex does not mean you are ready to be a parent. Having children is not the only point or pleasure of sex. Sex in itself is a great thing that everyone deserves to experience, whether Straight, Gay, Youthful or Old.It is unfair that a woman should have to go throug the AGONY of childbirth, but the man gets away with an easy orgasm.
If its unfair for a woman should go through agony Dont you think that she had it comming? So for her not to suffer the baby must suffer? If the man gets away with an orgasm THATS THEIR PROBELM. Women dont need men to take care of children. Is it so hard to slip a condom...and does it cost 2323 dollars or what?
What baby are you talking about ?
umm..any baby in general
1) Emotions do not come from the Heart, they come from the Brain. Invalid point.2) God may or may not exist. This myth you all God has no factual connection to morality or Abortion.
1) a heart is not just an organ lol. And Emotions dont come from your brain exactly. You cant think "Iam thinking sad rigth now, I think I should cry" Brain controls the nerves what not, but emotiions do come from your heart.
2) Im not a priest or mother teresa. Im not gonna argue if God exist or dont exist. All I ahve to say look around you everything is alive. People say it all started with a bacteria...well what started that bacteria lol. Scratch that lets not have religious confrontations.
Then those couples should adopt the parentless children all over the world. This world is already overpopulated with orphan children. Should not those children be adopted and given shelter, instead of neglected and replace by new and unwanted foetuses ?
THe world is populated. Not only by orphan kids. Thats still doesnt give the right to kill..its like executing because theres too many people.
And..... ?
well I dont have time to list all those cases of rape. Its awefull its just an unforgiveble crime. Thats all I have to say.
It's not the baby's fault because the baby does not exist. It is not a baby until late in its development. A few weeks after conception, it is a zygote...hardly a baby yet...it becomes a "baby" in a few more months....
Well surely its not an insect in that womb. Its a living thing. Baby, seed, lizard, insect whatever it is its still a living thing growing inside.
No one has the right to kill an innocent life. Not a human being, and not your imaginary God.
Your right no one has the right to kill anyboyd. Im sorry I got offended on you saying your imaginary God. Im not Imagining I believe. Like I said I dont want religion wars please I hate debating over religions. Im not offending on your beliefes dont offend mine.
I'm personally against it. I believe that everyone should take responsibility for his/her choices in life. That human being that is in the womb did not ask to come in to this world. God put it there for a reason. Therefore he should be the one that makes the decision. God gave you life and he can take it whenever he wants. IMO adoption is like committing a murder, because the life of a being is being taken away. That little thing can feel and is aware of all the five senses.
no Urizen you misunderstood my post, i meant that by NATURE sex without contraception is SUPPOSED to lead to eventual parenting. its the circle of life. by nature we are meant to produce children, and i believe that nature, being so sly, made sex quite enjoyable to encourage us to have sex and reproduce preventing the human race to diminish. its a survival technique. i know its a really dry definition of sex and pleasure, but it is quite true from a scientific standpoint.
i understand quite well that sex over the past billion years has turned into a casual thing, meant for enjoyment rather than pure reproduction. we are all human and obviously like to be rubbed the right way, pardon the punn, from time to time. imagine if sex wasnt enjoyable, then there wouldnt be alot of these problems in todays society. the whole reason most of us have casual sex now is for the enjoyment factor, not really thinking about children, in fact sometimes the thought of children being brought up in the heat of the moment can be quite a turn off.
i dont know why you brought up homosexuals at all in this argument. despite popular belief homosexual sex is not a natural thing at all. two men just cannot have intercourse, its impossible. dont get me started on anal sex either because that can lead to horrible injuries. homoseual sex is like two puzzle pieces that dont fit, in fact its like two puzzle pieces from two completely different puzzles that were never meant to connect in the same picture. now, obviously you can define a handjob, oral, or anal sex to be a sexual act, but its still not intercourse. you brought up the theory before that animals can be gay, sure this might be true but with animals there is less emotion when it comes to sex, and there is no 'relationship' with animals either, which leads me to belive that it is just pure ignorance that inspires them to act out against another animal of the same sex, BECAUSE IT FEELS GOOD. the same reason that we have sex for pure enjoyent, because it just damn feels good. now i am definitely not comparing 'gay' animals with homoseual human beings, because with humans the are alot more emotions involved than animals. the human being strives to find another partner in their life and if that person happens to be the same sex as you then great! go off and having amazing sex, not intercourse because thats impossible, just fun foreplay stuff.
i still stand behind the point that the morning after pill should be widely released. vote on making it over the counter. and tell those ultra-right wing blowhards that its not abortion, because they dont really care about abortion in the first place, all they care about is stopping kids from having sex which to them is a sin.
oh and chiki, your logic is severely out of place, a woman or man is really not meant to raise a child on their own. thousands of studies reveal that a baby who is raised by a single mom or dad, especially young ones who cant support a child at all, 98% of the time grow up having behavioral problems such as attachment issues concerning relationships with the opposite sex, and also with women they tend not to begin puberty until really late based on the average age. with men, they tend to go through alot of emotional things as well such as treating the opposite sex without care, especially when there is no mom in the picture. the answer to the 'single parent' problem is to give the child up for adoption and wait to have kids until you know you can support one, and by support i mean with somebody at your side. Urizen please dont chime in saying 'oh but homosexuals can raise a child too!" because the fact is that most adoption clinics will not give a gay couple a child becasue there ARE phsycological reprocussions from this. now im just basing these on scientific studies i have read, and im sure someone is going to try and disprove my point saying something like 'oh but i was raised by two gay men and im fine!' or ' i was raised by a single mom and im fine!' please spare me because not all studies are 100% accurate
MORNING AFTER PILL IS THE CURE!
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.The morning after pill is not the cure, and making it so that it is over the counter is even a worse idea. Making birth control pills covered by medical insurance and more available is a better option, for one it is more of a regulated drug and it’s only purpose is not to just control pregnancy like the morning after pill.
no Urizen you misunderstood my post, i meant that by NATURE sex without contraception is SUPPOSED to lead to eventual parenting. its the circle of life. by nature we are meant to produce children, and i believe that nature, being so sly, made sex quite enjoyable to encourage us to have sex and reproduce preventing the human race to diminish. its a survival technique. i know its a really dry definition of sex and pleasure, but it is quite true from a scientific standpoint.i understand quite well that sex over the past billion years has turned into a casual thing, meant for enjoyment rather than pure reproduction. we are all human and obviously like to be rubbed the right way, pardon the punn, from time to time. imagine if sex wasnt enjoyable, then there wouldnt be alot of these problems in todays society. the whole reason most of us have casual sex now is for the enjoyment factor, not really thinking about children, in fact sometimes the thought of children being brought up in the heat of the moment can be quite a turn off.
i dont know why you brought up homosexuals at all in this argument. despite popular belief homosexual sex is not a natural thing at all. two men just cannot have intercourse, its impossible. dont get me started on anal sex either because that can lead to horrible injuries. homoseual sex is like two puzzle pieces that dont fit, in fact its like two puzzle pieces from two completely different puzzles that were never meant to connect in the same picture. now, obviously you can define a handjob, oral, or anal sex to be a sexual act, but its still not intercourse. you brought up the theory before that animals can be gay, sure this might be true but with animals there is less emotion when it comes to sex, and there is no 'relationship' with animals either, which leads me to belive that it is just pure ignorance that inspires them to act out against another animal of the same sex, BECAUSE IT FEELS GOOD. the same reason that we have sex for pure enjoyent, because it just damn feels good. now i am definitely not comparing 'gay' animals with homoseual human beings, because with humans the are alot more emotions involved than animals. the human being strives to find another partner in their life and if that person happens to be the same sex as you then great! go off and having amazing sex, not intercourse because thats impossible, just fun foreplay stuff.
i still stand behind the point that the morning after pill should be widely released. vote on making it over the counter. and tell those ultra-right wing blowhards that its not abortion, because they dont really care about abortion in the first place, all they care about is stopping kids from having sex which to them is a sin.
oh and chiki, your logic is severely out of place, a woman or man is really not meant to raise a child on their own. thousands of studies reveal that a baby who is raised by a single mom or dad, especially young ones who cant support a child at all, 98% of the time grow up having behavioral problems such as attachment issues concerning relationships with the opposite sex, and also with women they tend not to begin puberty until really late based on the average age. with men, they tend to go through alot of emotional things as well such as treating the opposite sex without care, especially when there is no mom in the picture. the answer to the 'single parent' problem is to give the child up for adoption and wait to have kids until you know you can support one, and by support i mean with somebody at your side. Urizen please dont chime in saying 'oh but homosexuals can raise a child too!" because the fact is that most adoption clinics will not give a gay couple a child becasue there ARE phsycological reprocussions from this. now im just basing these on scientific studies i have read, and im sure someone is going to try and disprove my point saying something like 'oh but i was raised by two gay men and im fine!' or ' i was raised by a single mom and im fine!' please spare me because not all studies are 100% accurate
MORNING AFTER PILL IS THE CURE!
I totally disagree with you on your view of homosexuality, this is a natural occurrence throughout nature but that is in a different debate. With you view on sex it has not always been about reproducing and making babies, throughout the centuries it has been about pleasure, power and making babies to the earliest man to today the only real difference is that we now know how to have less chance of making babies.
Yes there have been studies on children and single parents and there also show some increase in behavioral problems but there is also the same problems with married couples as well plus a whole list of additional problems as well. There is more of a chance for a healthy well-behaved child growing up with loving parents be they from different sexes or the same then just being a man and woman.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
If its unfair for a woman should go through agony Dont you think that she had it comming?
No ...a woman should not be punished for having Sex. No one should. That's absurd.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
So for her not to suffer the baby must suffer?
That's just it. The baby does not suffer. A Foetus is not a baby, not yet...and when an early Abortion occurs the Foetus is NOT EVEN AWARE of what's going on.
It seems you do not know that much about Abortion.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
If the man gets away with an orgasm THATS THEIR PROBELM.
How is having an orgasm a problem ?🤨
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Women dont need men to take care of children. Is it so hard to slip a condom...and does it cost 2323 dollars or what?
Many Abortions occur after protected sex.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
1) a heart is not just an organ lol. And Emotions dont come from your brain exactly. You cant think "Iam thinking sad rigth now, I think I should cry" Brain controls the nerves what not, but emotiions do come from your heart.
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This just KILLED all your credibility. You really don't know what you are talking about !
Emotions exist in the brain, not the heart. The Heart having emotions is JUST A MYTH....emotions, thoughts, feelings all exist in the MIND, not the heart. That is FACT, so please quit trying to argue otherwise.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Well surely its not an insect in that womb. Its a living thing. Baby, seed, lizard, insect whatever it is its still a living thing growing inside.
I agree.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Your right no one has the right to kill anyboyd. Im sorry I got offended on you saying your imaginary God. Im not Imagining I believe. Like I said I dont want religion wars please I hate debating over religions. Im not offending on your beliefes dont offend mine.
You beleive in an imaginary God.
You cannot insult by beleifs if you do not know what they are.