Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Good to know that the same post can be reused months later."Mainly because every now and then someone likes to claim a morally superior stance.
A human foetus is genetically human. (Three cheers for redundancy.) Which was your argument. It's not a chicken foetus. It's not a cow foetus. An MCF-7 cell line is genetically human. A cyst is genetically human. The cells within them are alive. They are in the same way as a foetus "human life".
A foetus is not however "human life" in the same way as a 40 year old mother of two, or a 7 year old ballet dancer. And attempt to elevate it to that status based on potentiality is flawed. The foetus is not a human. It is a foetus.
As stated a proportion of abortions are performed in the embryonic stages, at which the "human life" is more akin to a cell culture or cyst than what one would define as morphologically human.
And I've already stated numerous times my position on abortion. I don't cast any aspersions on a woman for her choice to have an abortion within the bounds of the law regardless of whether I agree with her choice. It is her choice, and there is nothing "evil" about it.
Trying to elevate the genetic status of a foetus as H. sapiens to connotatively say "It's human life." Really only leads me to the response, "So?"
I don't state the comparison to a cell culture or to a cyst (which was actually VVD) to justify my stance. I do so (and I'll be bold and assume he/she/it did so too) to point out the flaw in your attempt to justify your stance.
I never said it was "evil" to have an Abortion. Quit putting words in my mouth. I am pro-choice as well. But the Foetus IS human. It is not a human being, but is human nonetheless.
Being genetically human is another term that is irrelevant. A cyst, a human heart, a cancer growth are not human...they are PART of a human.
A Foetus is NOT PART of a human....you never addressed that argument, you continue to INSIST that the Foetus is equal to a cyst or cancer growth, and then accuse me of equating a foetus with a 40 year old woman...how hypocritical.
You claim you brought that point about the cyst to show the flaw in my stance, but:
1) Do you what my actual stance even is ?
2) You have shown no flaw whatsoever...the Foetus IS a human life, to which you replied, "so?".....all I have argued was that it was the killing of an innocent human life. You have failed to disprove that.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Quiet sock troll.
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JM didn't even bother to READ what you wrote, you can TELL ! ahhahahhaaaa
Originally posted by Lord UrizenInnocence is a quality attributed to sentient beings.
I never said it was "evil" to have an Abortion. Quit putting words in my mouth. I am pro-choice as well. But the Foetus IS human. It is not a human being, but is human nonetheless.Being genetically human is another term that is irrelevant. A cyst, a human heart, a cancer growth are not human...they are PART of a human.
A Foetus is NOT PART of a human....you never addressed that argument, you continue to INSIST that the Foetus is equal to a cyst or cancer growth, and then accuse me of equating a foetus with a 40 year old woman...how hypocritical.
You claim you brought that point about the cyst to show the flaw in my stance, but:
1) Do you what my actual stance even is ?
2) You have shown no flaw whatsoever...the Foetus [b]IS
a human life, to which you replied, "so?".....all I have argued was that it was the killing of an innocent human life. You have failed to disprove that.[/B]
Semantics are fun. If something is not part, then it is whole. If a foetus is not part of a human, then you argue it is a human whole. The foetus is not a self-sustaining independent organism. It is not completely developed. Nor will it ever be if an abortion is performed.
In what way is the foetus human other than genetically? Morphologically during the stages of embryogenesis and fetal development at which the foetus is most commonly aborted it is not human.
"So?" is frankly all the response necessary towards emotive words. Calling a foetus a human life changes nothing. It's a foetus.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI doubt it. Additionally assumption of gender based on signature is often incorrect.
Did you actually READ what she wrote ? ahahhahaaa
Originally posted by Up In Flames
abortion=murder, plain and simpleif you're a non-christian who has never come into contact with a bible, who believes that man evolved from apes, who supports gay rights, who have no clue as to where your soul is headed, then by all means, abort! abort!
Why should they abort?jm 😕
Originally posted by Up In FlamesWhat if you are a woman that has trouble getting pregnant and keeps trying to have a baby and having miscarriages does that make them a murder? They keep trying knowing that there is a very good change that the baby will not live, they gave life by your definition and then it died. It is not as black and white as you think.
abortion=murder, plain and simpleif you're a non-christian who has never come into contact with a bible, who believes that man evolved from apes, who supports gay rights, who have no clue as to where your soul is headed, then by all means, abort! abort!
Originally posted by ADarksideJediThe miscarriage is not murder but that she is over and over again trying to have a baby and knowing that it will most likely lead to a miscarriage. So if it is 1 out of 10 then she has willing to put 9 potential newborns at risk. Also if you say the body aborting the baby is not murder then when you take the day after pill or most other abortion pills it is the body aborting the baby much the same way as IUD’s.
No miscariages is not murder it is very different then an abortion.Which is sad to say that it is the mother who killes her baby not her body.jm
Originally posted by Up In Flames
abortion=murder, plain and simpleif you're a non-christian who has never come into contact with a bible, who believes that man evolved from apes, who supports gay rights, who have no clue as to where your soul is headed, then by all means, abort! abort!
Another idiotic, close minded, zealot post....I'm starting to wondor if All Christians are brainwashed by the SAME program...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Innocence is a quality attributed to sentient beings.
Is a puppy in a coma innocent ?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The foetus is not a self-sustaining independent organism. It is not completely developed. B]
Neither is a mentally retarted child. Or a premature baby. ❌
Would you be okay killing these two off with that reasoning ?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]In what way is the foetus human other than genetically? Morphologically during the stages of embryogenesis and fetal development at which the foetus is most commonly aborted it is not human.
In what way is adult Human, human other than genetically ?
You were trying to equate a human foetus with a human cyst, a human organ, or human cancer tissue...because all are genetically human.
That anology is pathetically desperate, especially coming from a scientist, not to mention irrelevant.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"So?" is frankly all the response necessary towards emotive words. Calling a foetus a human life changes nothing. It's a foetus.
A foetus is a human life. All I have said was Abortion is the killing of a human life. I never said it was "murder." - well i did long ago, but I changed my stance in the past few months.
I say this, because some people want to minimize Abortion as the equivalent of Prevention, which it is not. Prevention is not killing, Abortion is.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I doubt it. Additionally assumption of gender based on signature is often incorrect.
She's dumb. I recently added her to ignore, because she makes my ass itch too much.
Forgive my assumption of your gender. I will call you "it" from now on 🙂
Originally posted by Lord UrizenAnd you ask me why I think your questions are baseless. Your anthropomorphisms attribute qualities that do not really apply. The angry sky bellowed thunder at the earth below.
Is a puppy in a coma innocent ?
Originally posted by Lord UrizenA mentally retarded child is a complete person. Define premature birth, generally 26< weeks, beyond the jurisdiction of legal abortion other than for medical reasons, specifically due to independent viability with the advent of modern perinatal care.
Neither is a mentally retarted child. Or a premature baby. ❌Would you be okay killing these two off with that reasoning ?
Do you view a foetus as on equal standing as a mentally retarded child?
Originally posted by Lord UrizenAn adult human being is a person, it is a human life in all literal and connotative sense of the term; you seem to want to apply that to the foetus, for which it is no more than literal; a dependent living organism of human species.
In what way is adult Human, human other than genetically ?You were trying to equate a human foetus with a human cyst, a human organ, or human cancer tissue...because all are genetically human.
That anology is pathetically desperate, especially coming from a scientist, not to mention irrelevant.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenContraception is not abortion. However the term a human life can only be applied to the foetus in a literal sense; to which I'm apathetic ergo "So?"
A foetus is a human life. All I have said was Abortion is the killing of a human life. I never said it was "murder." - well i did long ago, but I changed my stance in the past few months.I say this, because some people want to minimize Abortion as the equivalent of Prevention, which it is not. Prevention is not killing, Abortion is.