I am not saying it is an act of torture.
I am saying it is torture as in extemely painful. By this time, the foetus has fully developed nerves, and it can feel when it gets stabbed in the lower back of its skull....all documents even verify that the child cringes in shock.
Just because it is not prolonged does not mean it isn't torture. Intense pain, whether it be for an hour or a few seconds is torture, regardless of how you recognize it.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
If you kill it before it breaths, thinks, or feels then what is the problem? It is the equivalent of killing a plant....I am not saying killing is ever a good thing...it's always unfortunate..no matter what the circumstance. Honestly, I would always personally prefer that she deliver the child to full term..but that is just my perspective, and I am not in the business of telling another person how to run thier own life.
If the girl/woman cannot and does not want the pregnancy, and she decides to terminate it early, then what is the problem ? What wrong is she doing ?
If you say she's killing a life, I am going to answer...so what ? You and I kill life all the time, every time we eat, every time we breathe we kill thousands of microscopic organisms, I am sure you kill insects you find in your house, I also kill weeds every time they choke my garden.
If you say she is torturing a life by having an early abortion, I am going to say bullsh*t, because at that early a stage a foetus does not feel anything, nor does it even know it itself exists.
Partial Birth Abortion is a whole other issue, and that is what I have a MAJOR problem with, because torture is involved.
Please stop misconstruing what I am actually saying....
A plant and an early stage human foetus are the same in that niether feel pain and neither are self aware. Killing a foetus at early stage is no more painful or wrong than killing a plant.
When the foetus develops its brain, nerves, lungs, etc. it then becomes aware of its surroundings and can feel pain. Having the Abortion at this stage becomes an issue, because at this point you are killing something that can feel its death.
Before hand, you are not. Before hand this abortion is just as painful and wrong as killing a plant.
I propose then, that we grant that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. How does the argument go from here? Something like this, I take it. Every person has a right to life, so the fetus has a right to life. No doubt the mother has a right to decide what shall happen in and to her body, everyone would grant that. But surely, a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than the mother's right to decide what happens in and to her body, and so outweighs it. So the fetus may not be killed, an abortion may not be performed.
It sounds plausible, but now let me ask you to imagine this: You wake up in the morning and find yourself back-to-back in bed with an unconscious violinist, a famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night, the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own.
The director of the hospital now tells you, "Look, we're sorry the Society of Music Lovers did this to you. We would never have permitted it if we had known. But still, they did it, and the violinist now is plugged into you. To unplug you would be to kill him. But never mind, it's only for nine months. By then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you."
Is it morally incumbent on you to accede to this situation? No doubt it would be very nice of you if you did, a great kindness. But do you have to accede to it? What if it were not nine months, but nine years? Or longer still?
What if the director of the hospital says, "Tough luck, I agree, but you've now got to stay in bed with the violinist plugged into you for the rest of your life, because remember this: All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body, so you cannot ever be unplugged from him."
I imagine you would regard this as outrageous, which suggests that something really is wrong with that plausible sounding argument I mentioned a moment ago.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Please stop misconstruing what I am actually saying....A plant and an early stage human foetus are the same in that niether feel pain and neither are self aware. Killing a foetus at early stage is no more painful or wrong than killing a plant.
When the foetus develops its brain, nerves, lungs, etc. it then becomes aware of its surroundings and can feel pain. Having the Abortion at this stage becomes an issue, because at this point you are killing something that can feel its death.
Before hand, you are not. Before hand this abortion is just as painful and wrong as killing a plant.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i am not bashing you, i am just saying that comparing a plant to a fetus is the worst analogy ever.
You don't get do you ?
I am not comparing an actual foetus to an actual plant....I am saying that neither feel pain which is FACT. A foetus at an EARLY STAGE does NOT FEEL PAIN AND HAS NO MIND.
LIKE A PLANT..what part of that is so hard to understand ? KILLING an early stage foetus is as painful as killing a plant.
do you get it....
or do you need a more detailed explanation ?
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
. . . why don't you come up with a factual argument than bash me for my opinion ?
Take your own advice:
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
That's a pretty desparate argument. 👇I agree with you that Abortion should remain a woman's choice, but come on...you couldn't come up with a better scenario ? But then again, maybe since no one is listening to the facts, desparate times call for desparate measures