Abortion

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and how do you come to this conclusion?

Theres many factors under which it would be,age, financial circumstances, etc....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
when they should in fact own up to their responsibilities.

Yes, which is why they get an abortion. Very responsible.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and how do you come to this conclusion?

Because it is not always the right thing to bring another child to the world. Not for the parents and also not for the child.

Let me ask you, you as Christian, believe that a fetus has a soul, right? What happens, in your mythology, to a fetus that's aborted?

Originally posted by smoker4
Theres many factors under which it would be,age, financial circumstances, etc....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so if they cannot afford it and they get pregnant anyway...irresponsibility.

Yes, so they do the now responsible thing to abort it. Responsibility.

[edit] Answer my post

Originally posted by Bardock42

Let me ask you, you as Christian, believe that a fetus has a soul, right? What happens, in your mythology, to a fetus that's aborted?

sorry, I just saw the question. I just woke up, and FJ drank all the damn caffeine...

my answer: my OPINION is that yes, a fetus has a soul. and when it is aborted, it goes to heaven, as do all children too young to grasp the concept of god (ie: infants and toddlers)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
sorry, I just saw the question. I just woke up, and FJ drank all the damn caffeine...

my answer: my OPINION is that yes, a fetus has a soul. and when it is aborted, it goes to heaven, as do all children too young to grasp the concept of god (ie: infants and toddlers)

That's what I thought. But isn't that like perfect for the fetus then? It might be brought up by atheists (likely, since abortions are frowned upon by Christians) and will never be saved and go to hell. Don't you think it is better the innocent child gets saved instead of having a big chance to be tormented in hell?

I mean, it is a win-win situation. The parents will not have to be forced to take care of it, the mother doesn't have to go through 9 months of pain and the fetus will be happy for an eternity.

What is, going by that assumption, your beef with the whole abortion thing?

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's what I thought. But isn't that like perfect for the fetus then? It might be brought up by atheists (likely, since abortions are frowned upon by Christians) and will never be saved and go to hell. Don't you think it is better the innocent child gets saved instead of having a big chance to be tormented in hell?

I mean, it is a win-win situation. The parents will not have to be forced to take care of it, the mother doesn't have to go through 9 months of pain and the fetus will be happy for an eternity.

What is, going by that assumption, your beef with the whole abortion thing?

win win? life is a gift, man. every moment we spend as mortals on this earth is to be savored. sure, heaven and paradise await those who love god, and thats awesome, but every potential soul, every potential life, is meant to spend even a little time here on earth.

I thought they were supposed to go to limbo. Did that get retconned?

What of a fertilised oocyte where the male and female pronuclei have yet to fuse? Does that go to heaven too?

And the 25-50% of conceptions that result in spontaneous abortion before 20 weeks gestation? Have the zygotes and fetuses all gone to heaven? If so what's the point of the pregnancy at all? Why don't the souls just bypass the physical and go straight to heaven? Did they not roll a high enough number to pass GO?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so if they cannot afford it and they get pregnant anyway...irresponsibility.

Utter crap, even when all precautions are taken, pregnancy can still occur.

Like Big Bardock says then abortion is the responsible thing to do

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I wouldn't call it a beef. To do that implies that I am an activist, which I am surely not.

win win? life is a gift, man. every moment we spend as mortals on this earth is to be savored. sure, heaven and paradise await those who love god, and thats awesome, but every potential soul, every potential life, is meant to spend even a little time here on earth.

Originally posted by smoker4
Utter crap, even when all precautions are taken, pregnancy can still occur.

Like Big Bardock says then abortion is the responsible thing to do

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes, pregnancy can still occur. but what about a girl who gets pregnant and was not using control? what then?

I stil not sure how you can call it that?Even if something did happen.I still would not want the baby to die never the less.jm

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Then she makes the difficult decision of whether or not to have an abortion of her own volition, and you keep your personal religious views to yourself since it's not your body. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes, pregnancy can still occur. but what about a girl who gets pregnant and was not using control? what then?

Why does it have to be the girl? also there are many scenarios, alcohol, passion etc... again though abortion would be the responsible thing to do.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
ah, i see. you get to express your views, but i cannot express mine?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
ah, i see. you get to express your views, but i cannot express mine?

As long as you don't force it on her.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I wouldn't express any views to the hypothetical woman, since it's not my body. Try again. Try harder.

Originally posted by Bardock42
you ca express yours.

As long as you don't force it on her.

What is wrong with having a baby that has some little promblems?Nothing. Some parents feel bless to have a retrated child or one with leaning promblems.
It is not like it is the worst thing in the world you know.jm