Originally posted by Bardock42afraid not. keep trying.
How is that a compliment?But that doesn't mean he should havethe right to let the woman go through the 9 months and the emotional distress and the pain, right?
Let me show you this chart:
Woman: Abortion Man: Abortion -> Abortion
Woman: Abortion Man: No Abortion -> Abortion
Woman: No Abortion Man: Abortion -> Not certain, maybe there should be some more fairness. Though the woman would be the one who would have go through, so probably no Abortion.
Woman: No abortion Man: No Abortion -> No AbortionOkay?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
again, you are accusing me of trying to influence some hypothetical woman. WHY in the hell do you keep doing this?
it is applied because if the girl wants an abortion, and the guy wants her to have it, then, according to you, he just has to deal with it. fair? i think not.hypothetical sperm donor......i had to chew on that one for a few moments. is this how you refer to a man, a man who has feelings, who might want the baby? are you saying that since the poor little woman has to give birth, that the evil spem slinging man has no say so whatsoever?
No, but because she goes through the pain and discomfort, he doesn't.
Originally posted by Bardock42
He has the power to kill innocent babies. He just has to beat them to death with an Iron rodNow, you might say that is not really a superpower, but he feels no regret. See? He wins.
Hopefully he'll be in season 2 of heroes
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
hypothetical sperm donor......i had to chew on that one for a few moments. is this how you refer to a man, a man who has feelings, who might want the baby? are you saying that since the poor little woman has to give birth, that the evil spem slinging man has no say so whatsoever?
Yes basically evil sperm slinging man (powers?) has little or no say in the real world
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Yes he does most of the time.Woman also kills baby not just man.Think of that crazy bate lady.She is still in the hospital!jm
Quoting posts might help or not??
Originally posted by Bardock42then she should have known better than to pick a loser that would walk on her. she still has friends, family and loved ones. not having a man around is a piss poor excuse to have an abortion, and it makes her a weak person. she knew the risks going in. she knew there was a chance she'd get knocked up.
If the woman wants it and the man wants it and just leaves she has to deal with it. Fair?No, but because she goes through the pain and discomfort, he doesn't.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
then she should have known better than to pick a loser that would walk on her. she still has friends, family and loved ones. not having a man around is a piss poor excuse to have an abortion, and it makes her a weak person. she knew the risks going in. she knew there was a chance she'd get knocked up.
You misunderstood. I didn#t say that's a reason to get an abortion, just that guys can do it just the same.
You are kinda aggressive towards the woman that is in that situation.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
then she should have known better than to pick a loser that would walk on her. she still has friends, family and loved ones. not having a man around is a piss poor excuse to have an abortion, and it makes her a weak person. she knew the risks going in. she knew there was a chance she'd get knocked up.
Absolute bollocks
You cant say that, to be able to say that you would have to be a woman, how would she know he was a loser at first? people lie, act different, 3 month honeymoon period etc.... i for one would never have the the kind of attitude to judge someone like that, weak wtf?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and you think that is fair?
Like you said, it is the hand we are dealt
Originally posted by smoker4yes, weak. a woman choosing to have an abortion because she does not want to deal with carrying it to term is weak.
Absolute bollocksYou cant say that, to be able to say that you would have to be a woman, how would she know he was a loser at first? people lie, act different, 3 month honeymoon period etc.... i for one would never have the the kind of attitude to judge someone like that, weak wtf?
Like you said, it is the hand we are dealt
and the first part about the guy being a loser i take back. sometimes people change at the drop of the hat....see? if i am wrong, i admit it. not bad for a sperm slinger, eh? 😉
Originally posted by Rogue JediI have 4 daughters. It was a blessing to have them. I carried them for 9 months happily.
cop out. and stop mentioning my religion. Bardock asked me a religious question and i answered, so get over it.
just a guy...what happened to equality of the sexes? sure, she carries the baby, but she didnt make it all by herself. and have you forgotten who is there catching hell for 9 months? the guy. he is the one being treated like a slave, making late night runs to the grocery store for sardines and shit. so the woman carries the baby. thats the hand that was dealt to women. most women that i know, the ones who have been pregnant, consider it a privilege to carry the baby for 9 months, despite the physical discomfort.
Originally posted by Bardock42its the attitude of every prochoicer i have ever met. its always about the woman. she is a poor little defenseless thing who should be pitied.
Who looks upon them like that?They just have the right to abort the fetus because it is their body. Nothing poor little about them.
its not how i see them, i am just saying.
Originally posted by Rogue JediBecause apparently you lack the ability to follow a simple train of thought.
again, you are accusing me of trying to influence some hypothetical woman. WHY in the hell do you keep doing this?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedii.e. said hypothetical woman.
but what about a girl who gets pregnant and was not using control? what then?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotMe, commenting on how the decision is the hypothetical woman's, and that your personal religious views should have no bearing on her decision whatsoever.
Then she makes the difficult decision of whether or not to have an abortion of her own volition, and you keep your personal religious views to yourself since it's not your body. ermmhappy
Originally posted by Rogue JediYou, attempting to strawman as if I had said that you weren't allowed to express views in general.
ah, i see. you get to express your views, but i cannot express mine?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotMe, commenting that in the situation I wouldn't express any view one way or the other.
I wouldn't express any views to the hypothetical woman, since it's not my body. Try again. Try harder.
Originally posted by Rogue JediYou, reiterating that you're commenting towards the hypothetical woman, despite having forgotten this now.
and we are back to the "It's the womans body, it's her choice" argument. what about the guy? he has NO say in it?
and yes, I am expressing my views on this to the hypothetical woman. thats what this thread is about.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotMe, asking why, since you have no connection to the hypothetical woman whatsoever, you feel the need to try and have influence on her autonomy.
Why? You're not even the guy to the hypothetical woman. You're just a guy. A religious guy. Who plays no part in her hypothetical conception, pregnancy, labor and childcare. Yet you want to have some sort of influence in her hypothetical decision?
Originally posted by Rogue JediYou, trying to equate yourself to the hypothetical man in the hypothetical situation, despite that the hypothetical situation doesn't involve you.
just a guy...what happened to equality of the sexes? sure, she carries the baby, but she didnt make it all by herself. and have you forgotten who is there catching hell for 9 months? the guy. he is the one being treated like a slave, making late night runs to the grocery store for sardines and shit. so the woman carries the baby. thats the hand that was dealt to women. most women that i know, the ones who have been pregnant, consider it a privilege to carry the baby for 9 months, despite the physical discomfort.
And that leads us now to you asking why I'm referring to a hypothetical woman, in a hypothetical situation which you brought up to begin with.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi1) That sentence made no sense.
it is applied because if the girl wants an abortion, and the guy wants her to have it, then, according to you, he just has to deal with it. fair? i think not.
Originally posted by Rogue JediThat is the extent to which a man plays in a pregnancy biologically, despite your lovely and descriptive attempt at strawmanning again. The hypothetical man is free to make his opinion known for the role he played in conception, but at the end of the day conception is where his biological contribution ended. The decision of whether to continue the process of pregnancy is hers.
hypothetical sperm donor......i had to chew on that one for a few moments. is this how you refer to a man, a man who has feelings, who might want the baby? are you saying that since the poor little woman has to give birth, that the evil spem slinging man has no say so whatsoever?
Originally posted by Shelbert Lemon
I have 4 daughters. It was a blessing to have them. I carried them for 9 months happily.
I was fortunate enough to provide a loving and nurturing environment for them. Not everyone is able to do so.
If I werent able to then I would have aborted because I wouldnt have been strong enough to adopt out. Selfish? I dont think so because Im thinking of not only my future but that of a child coming into the world that wouldnt be cared for the way it should be.
We are adults... sex happens, unplanned pregnancies happen. 2 of my 4 girls were conceived when I was using bc. Im thankful I was able to see my pregnancies through but thats not always the case and abortion would have been an option.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes, weak. a woman choosing to have an abortion because she does not want to deal with carrying it to term is weak.and the first part about the guy being a loser i take back. sometimes people change at the drop of the hat....see? if i am wrong, i admit it. not bad for a sperm slinger, eh? 😉
Again, who or what the f**k gives you the right to call them weak?
and the loser bit yes, wrong, who doesnt admit when they are?
Originally posted by Shelbert Lemon
I have 4 daughters. It was a blessing to have them. I carried them for 9 months happily.
I was fortunate enough to provide a loving and nurturing environment for them. Not everyone is able to do so.
If I werent able to then I would have aborted because I wouldnt have been strong enough to adopt out. Selfish? I dont think so because Im thinking of not only my future but that of a child coming into the world that wouldnt be cared for the way it should be.
We are adults... sex happens, unplanned pregnancies happen. 2 of my 4 girls were conceived when I was using bc. Im thankful I was able to see my pregnancies through but thats not always the case and abortion would have been an option.
Thank you!!! i'd say will you have my babies if we were in a different thread 😉