Originally posted by StyleTimeI am assuming that the angle you are working here is that there are more prospective adoptees than there are people qualified to adopt them?I'd also like to throw in the [B]fact
that there are about 750,00 kids out there who need care CURRENTLY. http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/trends.htm. [/B]
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You should pm Bardock for some lessons, his insulting skills are top notch. 😉
I concur.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And as for the people who didn't plan ahead and thus must make the decision of whether or not to opt for an abortion, who you deem "should be punished."
On a different note, aren't we really punishing ourselves by letting their offspring run around in the world to become pro-lifers and retards.....oh, sorry...redundant.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am assuming that the angle you are working here is that there are more prospective adoptees than there are people qualified to adopt them?
Not qualified, but willing to adopt them.
Because lying pro-lifer scum (like the people that argue in this thread) are very willing to open their big stupid mouthes wide....but when it comes to action someone else is supposed to take care off.
Not saying you are, but you know that most pro-lifers are factually hypocrites and liars, right? I mean, regardless of them being wrong or right (they are wrong), they are generally the scum on the universe. I mean, there are some intelligent ones, I suppose (for the sake of you not getting offended lets pretend you are one), but you do know that the group on a whole is mentally retarded. Seriously, I'd take a bet on that, if you take a decent sample, lets say 2000 random pro-lifers and 2000 random pro-choicers...the average IQ will be higher on the pro-choice side.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Rights are...hmm...lets use the word SUBJECTIVE. You dont have unlimited rights. There is no country that gives you unlimited rights. The only reason you can get a medical abortion-mind you-is from someone else's work in the scientific arena. Or else itd just be coat hangers and we all know how much those hurt...
Exactly, and if you were so pro-life you'd not want that happening to humans, but you're not. You are pro-child. They reach a certain age and you're no longer interested in fighting for their rights.
You have rights as far as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's personal freedom, and abortion does not.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
You know what? Youre right. Youre dam right. Its not a human. What does that change???
The fact that you're screaming and shouting about it being wrong to kill a human, probably.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Is there suddenly some huge gap there? Does the law and moral consciense just shut off because it is not scientifically a human?
Yes. Why should we treat it as anything other than cells? That's what it is.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
....So what you are saying, is that anything is ok, as long as it doest effect those silly humans. 🙂 Hmm...well, Hitler thought the Jews were subhuman too didnt he? Guess what, everyone beleived him. Hence the holocaust. We make categories, as humans, of what everyone, and everything is...and then give priority based on whos most intelligent, whats the most important. What if they cloned retarded humans for spare body parts, and just changed the DNA to make them just a smidge unhuman. Does that suddenly make it right???
Hitler wanted to erase anything he didn't like, anything that didn't agree with his beliefs whether it affected him or not, which is what you're doing. I'm not, I don't care if a woman keeps it or aborts it, but she has the right to choose. You're an idiot for attempting to ban it based on "It's a human!". No, it's not.
What if they cloned retarded humans? This is a debate about abortion. If you lack the argument to stay on topic, don't enter.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Science. Isnt it nice. It tells us what to do. It tells us whats right and wrong. It tells us when a baby is not a baby. YAY science!
Precisely, it tells us what is and what isn't a human being. I can understand how you would be very pissed off at this, but rest assured, it is what it is.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
While you enjoy those test tubes, consider looking up the definition of "child". Here...look....I did it for you!http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/child Dictionary.com my friend. And was that...fetus...i saw there?!!!
Precisely, people define "Foetus" as child. SCIENCE defined foetus as foetus, cells as cells. You are calling it a human as that is what you want it to be, science, remember....the fact stuff, says you are wrong.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Fair enough. So think what you want -but you're wrong in my mind too, so i guess we're at a standoff.
Why do you think I'm wrong? Morals are entirely subjective. You got an argument for that point? Let's hear it.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Oh, I am releived!!! Lets just get rid of all of our babies and then we can be free of all the consequences of our stupid actions. If you have sex, at least be prepared for the possible, natural, outcome. And Im sorry if youve had some bad decisions in your life...but theres always help! Go to Ineedhelpwithmylife.com! Ive been there tons of times. 😆
So what? Who are you to a woman? It doesn't matter what you feel she should do about the consequences of her own actions, they have nothing to do with you and they do not affect anything but your petty upset that not everyone agrees with your outlandish views.
Not all women have abortions for frivolous reasons, some do. Personally? I think using abortion as birth control is sucky, but that isn't a problem with abortion, it's a problem with people. Why ban abortion because some idiots use it wrong? Would you ban cars because people drink and drive? It's not the drink, or the car's fault. Just like it's not the procedure's fault.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Well you wouldnt be doing ANY of that without us, so im so sorry. You can always blame god humans dont reproduce with spores or something.
And WE wouldn't have a point to it without women, who factually do much more than we do regarding children and the creation of. The fact that it is how it is is what you need to accept. Father's have rights, but they go so far. Currently women do enough to have the final say.
You? I'm a male, shocking isn't it? Shocking that a male could respect a woman's right to do what she wants.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Tricked into getting a woman pregnant? You been tricking anybody lately?
I mean when women say "Don't worry, I'm on birth control.", or tamper with the condom, or agree with their partner or whatever that they won't keep the child, then decide to. There are many situations to consider, but sense will always lead you back to the females having the final choice.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE though: If a guy gets a girl pregnant, then he has no choice but to be able to support the child, because its his fault. Thats ethics, but sorry, its not scientific.
No, that's the-way-The-Black-Ghost-sees-it-because-he-wants-it-his-way. Not ethics.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
You certainly schooled me. Im...im just speechless!!! Your arguments full of as much crap as everything youve said about mine, so youd better stop pointing fingers.
Have you actually got an opposing argument that I haven't refuted? If so, bring it forth or be quiet.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
And you never schooled me before and scared me away. I came here a few times and I barely posted much of anything. I just eventually stopped coming to KMC for a long time and only recently have i come back. I dont even remember you so that shows how much you owned me
I must have erased your memory with how much I "owned" you. Kidding, of course, but we both know it happened. It doesn't matter, I can just do it again so you remember, it's that easy.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Abortion should NEVER be an answer to overpopulation or any other problem.
Well tough shit and welcome to Earth, to some women, it's an answer.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Yes, I agree and would be personally happy to adopt.
It's good to talk, as Bob Hoskins once said, but have you actually ever done any of this?
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
It also comes down to fundamental thought. People cant be responsible, they dont care about others or actions many times. We rely today on technology to make everythign easy for us, to get us out of situations that normally we wouldnt be able to escape...and all for a good $$$.
Who are you to decide why all women have abortions? You decide they all do it for nasty reasons so you convince yourself you have an argument.
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
And not allowing abortion is not a "punishment" -it is an outcome. Simple as that. Morally, and socially -they SHOULD be held accountable for their actions, but you cant do that in most cases. So adoption i support. What about it?And the fact there are so many children who need adoption just means two things. A) We're not doing enough. B) There are a lot of unfortunate parents out there who have problems.
You can keep saying "morally", but morals are not universal. If you have an argument to this, bring it. If you have no played any active part in adoption, you should have no say in it, but then again, you've never been close to an abortion have you? The fact that there are so many children need adoption tells us exactly that, you are RIGHT. We are not doing enough. If there were half as many willing to adopt who act like they're willing to adopt, there'd be much less cases of this. To quote Bill Hicks:
"If you're so pro-child and pro-life, adopt a kid that's already here, unwanted and alone, that needs someone to get it out of a bad situation, love the people that are already here before bringing more possible lost causes to the planet.".
You are pro-child, you are not pro-life. You couldn't give a shit about these female adults.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
weeping like a teased vagina? that is, without a doubt, the lamest comeback I have ever heard, little lady. It would have been clever if you said "weeping like a schoolgirl with a skinned knee", or something similar. You should pm Bardock for some lessons, his insulting skills are top notch.
It wasn't meant to be a comeback, I don't spend my time on KMC concocting desperation comebacks, you might, because you probably forsee being on the receiving end of backlash. Where do you think Bardock gets his style from? It's certainly not his own, that's for one thing. Nice to know you're still able to involve yourself in on topic debate.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
my word over myself is law.".......This is everything. This is you caught with your hand in the proverbial cookie jar. funny thing is that you don't realize it.
You know what I mean which is precisely why you're not answering my question, isn't it? If YOU say something ABOUT me, and it's your word Vs mine, and mine counters yours, mine is automatically right. As is the case with any human. If you're gonna go around saying "Nah, you think this, you think that.", despite me explaining I do not, then you obviously DO believe you are all knowing. Maybe that's why you have a thing for me, because you place the qualities you dislike about yourself, on me.
Either way, your comment of "You believe you know it all.", is factually incorrect. You're speaking about me, and I know a bit more about me than you do.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, you "banished" someone? Thats a pretty ballsy thing to say. To think of yourself as wielding that kind of power? ....funny. very funny.
I smashed his argument, along with Whob's, to the point that he left. He doesn't remember, no matter. It'll happen again. By the way, RJ, you got anything to say regarding abortion? Or you just here because I personally give you reason to exist?
Let's give you something on topic:
Would you adopt? Yes or no?
Have you ever adopted? Yes or no?
Will you ever adopt? Yes or no?
Those are civil, genuine questions I am asking you, all insults aside, that I would like you to answer, will you? Or will you avoid?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well, it's been discussed and you've admitted it's true. If you feel it was said with harmful intent, sorry, it wasn't, but there we go.-AC
Well, it is true that some of my behaviour patters are closely linked to one specific person. But I wouldn't say my whole style is not my own.
I feel I do contribute to my posts...at least in a somewhat constructive manner.
That being said, I wouldn't say that it is evident to everyone that I adopted a lot of their manners and ultimately would claim it is still my style.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Yes but it is beter to let those kids be adopted then abort them.You talking about the whole world or just England?jm
And they are not children when they're legally aborted, they can not sustain life outside of the body. They are not yet humans, just a bunch of tissues and cells. I don't agree that it's right having a child just to get rid of it, by chucking it in a home. It's irrisponsible and cruel. Far more so than getting rid of it before it even has a future.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
That is what p eople who abort babies always do.They don't think about it just kill the baby.When the baby could be in a better home and like you siad have a better future.Anyway got to go.Talk to you all tonight.jm