Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Is that all you have to say? Stop being one and I'll stop calling you one. Chill out, take a midol or something. For a "man" in his, what, 30s? You're kind of childish. Stop letting me get under your skin so much, you obviously couldn't wait to have a pop, hence why you decided to dive in and reply to a post that wasn't even aimed at you.

-AC

And when I found out that remark was not posted at me, even when it was directly after my post, I apologized. Or did you not notice? oh yeah, that's right........"Apology" and "Rebuttal" are not in the Alpha Centauri dictionary.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Now tell me how any of this is relevant to abortion, and how self-sacrifice to make abortion illegal, worldwide, would be a sensible idea? Unless it wouldn't actually be sensible, just something you believe would make you look a hero, which would only prove you're in it for yourself.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I'm not. You see cells as children, I see them as cells, science sees them as cells..

I already answered this, I guess you've run into a wall. That point doesn't justify your opinion as well. Said cell will eventually become a child if allowed to grow. It's not like we do not know what happens to embryo's in there development.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Everytime you blow your nose, you're killing something. Ever killed a spider or a fly? You're tangling yourself up.

I already answered that type of rhetoric two pages ago. Seriously, where's your head, are playing stupid just to prove a point?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I don't care what you think I am, I know exactly what I am.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You don't want to protect life, you want to protect your beliefs and force everyone to agree with you.

When did I say I wanted to protect life? 😕
I'm not trying to force people to agree with so much I stopping people from doing I percieve as wrong. Killing babies is wrong to me.

We don't live in aworld where ideal do not conflict, but you seem to think we do. 😆

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

The punctuation was correct, but you are strolling around making terrible spelling mistakes. It's not particularly relevant, but it's messageboard etiquette.

😆

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Why would anybody defend opinions inconveniently? I always defend my opinions whenever it's necessary to do so and in sensible ways. Dying to oppress is not one of those.

I never said it was, I said willingness to die.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Do as you wish, you've admitted you'd become a murderer and you're a conspiracy forum dweller. Why hold the belief you have anything of value to say?

Because they will be backed up by actions.

Marv: "Dames. Sometimes all they gotta do is let it out and a bucket of tears later you'd never know there was a thing wrong.". You just need a good cry.

Do you actually have anything to say to the reply I gave to your question, or will the PMSing continue?

I'm just curious.

-AC

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I already explained it in detail already, sensible or not the bottom line is this. if you cannot defend a belief it's useless.

So this is relevant how? I'm defending my belief. Me not willing to die for it is not cowardice, you being a willing martyr is stupidity.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I already answered this, I guess you've run into a wall. That point doesn't justify your opinion as well. Said cell will become a child if allowed to grow. It's not like we do not know what happens to embryo's.

IF allowed to grow, and it's embryos.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I already answered that type of rhetoric two pages ago.Seriously, where's your head, are playing stupid just to prove a point?

It's not my fault you don't like being faced with ideas that make your argument silly, or is "life" only "life" when it's convenient to you?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
If yyou didn't care, then you woudn't need to defend yourself.

I'm not, I'm simply telling you you're wrong. Don't expect a debate over "You are this.", "No I'm not.".

I know you are wrong in your opinion of me.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
When did I say I wanted to protect life?? 😕

See, now I'll admit, I'm confused. You want to protect foetuses and cells, why? You've gone on about how important life is, but you don't want to protect life?

Are you mental?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm not trying to force people to agree with so much I stopping people from doing I percieve as wrong. We don't live in aworld where ideal do not conflict, but you seem to think we do. 😆

Conflict is fine. Our ideals are conflicting now, but in the world there will always be necessary existences that we think are wrong, to assume we should and can eradicate them is foolhardy.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I never siad it was, I said willingness to die.

You're willing, but you aren't dead yet...so, what's the deal?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Because they will be backed up by actions.

You're still here though.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Marv: "Dames. Sometimes all they gotta do is let it out and a bucket of tears later you'd never know there was a thing wrong.". You just need a good cry.

Do you actually have anything to say to the reply I gave to your question, or will the PMSing continue?

I'm just curious.

-AC

There's also a saying: "Killing for life is like shagging for virginity."

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So this is relevant how? I'm defending my belief. Me not willing to die for it is not cowardice, you being a willing martyr is stupidity.

Sure it is, I mean you can think of millions of reason why I'am stupid for my "Die Hardness". . .

But, in the end what I said will apply. Your belief isn't worth shit if you cannot defend it. There is no working your way around it. . .

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

IF allowed to grow, and it's embryos.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

It's not my fault you don't like being faced with ideas that make your argument silly, or is "life" only "life" when it's convenient to you?

Maybe if I was a lot more insecure about myself I would care.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I'm not, I'm simply telling you you're wrong. Don't expect a debate over "You are this.", "No I'm not.".

Which is a defensive postion thus your defending yourself.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I know you are wrong in your opinion of me.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

See, now I'll admit, I'm confused. You want to protect foetuses and cells, why? You've gone on about how important life is, but you don't want to protect life?

Life is important that's a fact, I don't need to justify life's importance. It's a philosophy that holds true no matter what. Everyone is pro-life, becuase if they weren't why would they want to live.

I'm not fighting to protect life, I'm fighting to protect my beliefs.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Conflict is fine. Our ideals are conflicting now, but in the world there will always be necessary existences that we think are wrong, to assume we should and can eradicate them is foolhardy.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You're willing, but you aren't dead yet...so, what's the deal?

Not dying doesn't mean your not willing to die for a belief .

-I'm willing to risk death for my belief
-I'm willing to sacrifice myself for my belief if the time ever comes

Seriously, are you playing dumb?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The world doesn't run on words. . . It runs on actions.

You learn that at the Geroge W. Bush school for useless phrases?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sure it is, I mean you can think of millions of reason why I'am stupid for my "Die Hardness". .

But, in the end what I said will apply. Your belief isn't worth shit if you cannot defend it. There is no working your way around it. . .

My belief isn't worth shit to YOU because you believe suicide or whatever would be necessary, murder too. Other, sane people would see that I am still defending my beliefs.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, were stopping a potential human life. Being pedantic will not change what it is.

What about masturbation? Is that bad too? Wasting sperm?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I don't really care because said ideas aren't enforced. The worst that can happen is that I'm ridiculed by some faceless persona's on the internet. 😆

Smileys; the mask of the insecure.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Maybe if I was a lot more insecure about myself I would care.

Got anything relevant to say?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Which is a defensive postion thus your defending yourself.

Doesn't actually mean I "care".

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Prove it.

You are wrong. You are discussing me, I know more about me than you do. I'm telling you you're wrong about what you say I am. Ignore it if you wish.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Life is important that's a fact, I don't need to justify life's importance. It's a philosophy that holds true no matter what. Everyone is pro-life, becuase if they weren't why would they want to live.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm not fighting to protect life, I'm fighting to protect my beliefs.

So it IS just a selfish crusade then? As I said, and you denied.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The world doesn't run on words. . . It runs on actions.

Where's your sacrifice then?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Not dying doesn't mean your not willing to die for a belief .

The world doesn't run on words and will, it runs on...darn, what word did you use?

Why haven't you sacrificed or killed? Answer this.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm willing to risk death for my belief

Have you?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm willing to sacrifice myself for my belief if the time ever comes

Have you?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Seriously, are you playing dumb?

No, but you are actually dumb. You accuse me of being what YOU are, it's insecurity at its most obvious.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I think you're confusing people saying there is no difference between organisms, and not caring what the difference is.

If someone could prove, scientifically, than a foetus becomes technically a human being, in the womb (Ha, good luck.), I'd concede it is one. It still wouldn't matter to me, it's still up to the woman.

-AC

In other words the woman has a choice to kill any child of hers she wishes. What doest it matter what stage of the pregnancy or even of life the child is at? Technically the baby isnt even a legal person until the birth certificate is filled out. In between then are you saying that a newborn could be considered still technically biological property of the mother's body? Does the birth canal magically instill rights upon a child as it is exiting the body? If so, then techinically during labor a parent is allowed to get an abortion and the child is still a "parasite" as you seem to call it. You can't say theres a drawn line in child rights based on how far is it inside a mother's body.

This is where pro-choice starts getting fuzzy blank stares.

Originally posted by Devil King
You learn that at the Geroge W. Bush school for useless phrases?

It's only useless if you do not apply. But, I'm glad I talked to you people. Because now I know your words are useless, and I dread ever becoming like you.

Do you want to know why?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It's only useless if you do not apply. But, I'm glad I talked to you people. Because now I know your words are useless, and I dread ever becoming like you.

Oh theyre not all that bad. Misguided maybe, but that's something you cant change about people.

Originally posted by Devil King
You learn that at the Geroge W. Bush school for useless phrases?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It's only useless if you do not apply. But, I'm glad I talked to you people. Because now I know your words are useless, and I dread ever becoming like you.

Do you want to know why?

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
In other words the woman has a choice to kill any child of hers she wishes. What doest it matter what stage of the pregnancy or even of life the child is at?

As long as it's in the womb, she can do as she wished. I think it's bad to, for example, give birth and then stab the child to death, but I don't waste my time getting upset about things that don't infringe upon me.

In the womb, she can do as she wishes without consequence, or she should be able to.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Technically the baby isnt even a legal person until the birth certificate is filled out. In between then are you saying that a newborn could be considered still technically biological property of the mother's body? Does the birth canal magically instill rights upon a child as it is exiting the body? If so, then techinically during labor a parent is allowed to get an abortion and the child is still a "parasite" as you seem to call it. You can't say theres a drawn line in child rights based on how far is it inside a mother's body.

As long as it's in the womb, she can do as she wishes. What do you have to suggest otherwise?

I love the way pro-lifers argue that pro-choice people all band together, when not only have you witnessed a man admit he'd become a murderer, but you say nothing to him. I guess you're just that desperate to have folks on your side.

-AC

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It's only useless if you do not apply. But, I'm glad I talked to you people. Because now I know your words are useless, and I dread ever becoming like you.

Do you want to know why?

Okay, so lets sum it up. Words are meaningless if they aren't followed up by actions. To this end, you are going to do what? Bomb an abortion clinic? Shoot an abortion doctor? Become a supreme court justice?

Just what is it exactly that you would like us to think you're going to go out and do?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
My belief isn't worth shit to YOU because you believe suicide or whatever would be necessary, murder too. Other, sane people would see that I am still defending my beliefs.

No, it isn't worth shit because you are coward plain and simple. You only fight for what you believe is right whenever it's conveinent.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

What about masturbation? Is that bad too? Wasting sperm?

I already explained that. . .

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Smileys; the mask of the insecure.

That's nice. . .

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Got anything relevant to say?

Cop out. . .

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Doesn't actually mean I "care".

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You are wrong. You are discussing me, I know more about me than you do. I'm telling you you're wrong about what you say I am. Ignore it if you wish.

Hey, I'm not the one who defends himself when it's convienent.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Prove it.

I already addressed that. . .

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

So it IS just a selfish crusade then? As I said, and you denied.

I didn't deny anything. . .

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Where's your sacrifice then?

It's beyond your comprehension. . .

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Why haven't you sacrificed or killed? Answer this.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Have you?

No, because I'm to ogood.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Have you?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As long as it's in the womb, she can do as she wished. I think it's bad to, for example, give birth and then stab the child to death, but I don't waste my time getting upset about things that don't infringe upon me.

You are a sick person to even begin to think that what you just said is allowable in any way. And once again -back to apathy- why do I care? If you really dont care about anything, never, ever post here again.

Let me ask though: do you plan on having (obviously through another) an abortion in your life? Dont say no, because that would mean none of this affects you whatsoever, in which case that also means you are trying to defend the "rights" of people that do not affect you, and for something that really means nothign to you. As you've made clear already, that is illegal.

In the womb, she can do as she wishes without consequence, or she should be able to. As long as it's in the womb, she can do as she wishes. What do you have to suggest otherwise?
-AC

Thats like saying -as long as I stick my kid's hand inside my mouth I have the right to bite it off. 😂 You're trying to justify actions based on location, which is very lame.

Originally posted by Devil King
Okay, so lets sum it up. Words are meaningless if they aren't followed up by actions. To this end, you are going to do what? Bomb an abortion clinic? Shoot an abortion doctor? Become a supreme court justice?

Just what is it exactly that you would like us to think you're going to go out and do?

Everything that is neccessary...

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Everything that is neccessary...

I like your thinking. As long as whatever action is taken is not violent or in any way contradictory to what would be preserved.