Abortion

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, it isn't worth shit because you are coward plain and simple. You only fight for what you believe is right whenever it's conveinent.

No, you are factually incorrect. I back my beliefs whenever I can and whenever the issues come up, I act on them as far as I possibly can, I vote etc. I do not have delusions of political aspiration like you seem to have, so forgive me for not saying I'd commit murder.

It's more cowardly to kill a man cos he disagrees.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I already explained that. . .

And it proved nothing, so I'm asking for a better reply.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That's nice. . .

Cop out. . .

Sure. . .

No? No relevance?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Hey, I'm not the one who defends himself when it's convienent.

What do you mean? We all defend ourselves when it's convenient, what's your point?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I already addressed that. . .

Cop out.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I didn't deny anything. . .

At least you admit it. That's something that's a tiny saving grace.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It's beyond your comprehension. . .

No, it's not. You're willing to die and kill, yet you've done neither. So why?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Who says haven't?

I do, because you obviously haven't killed yourself have you? Are you saying you're a murderer?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yes, I've sacrificed, My social life amd social welfare. By U.S., law I can be labeled a terrorist for what I'm saying.

So you haven't actually killed anyone or yourself...you're just willing to sit there and say you would? Thought so.

Don't say shit you know isn't true, that you would never do, because then someone will press you and you'll deny it. By murdering you'd get locked away, possibly killed. You'd give your cause and even worse name than it already has and nothing would be achieved at all.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, because I'm to ogood.

Yes, My social life, Alot of my friendships, etc. . . Sure, it's nothing foe now, but I just stgarted and I'll continue doing what is neccessary.
I'm not a coward like you.

So to sum it up.

You've not actually done anything I haven't done, really. Neither of us have killed, or killed ourselves, so what separates you from me? The fact that you've lost friendships due to your beliefs? Go you. I've never been such a sociopath that my friends have ditched me.

Until you kill a man or yourself, you're a liar.

-AC

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Everything that is neccessary...

How old are you?

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
I like your thinking. As long as whatever action is taken is not violent or in any way contradictory to what would be preserved.

I'm sorry, but violence is an option for me, I'm not a pacifist at all. Sure, I would never enjoy killing, but what has to be done has to be done.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
You are a sick person to even begin to think that what you just said is allowable in any way. And once again -back to apathy- why do I care? If you really dont care about anything, never, ever post here again.

I'll post when and where I wish. Turn on the waterworks somewhere else, guilt doesn't work with me.

Did I say stabbing it is allowable? I said I don't spend time worrying about it.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Let me ask though: do you plan on having (obviously through another) an abortion in your life? Dont say no, because that would mean none of this affects you whatsoever, in which case that also means you are trying to defend the "rights" of people that do not affect you, and for something that really means nothign to you. As you've made clear already, that is illegal.

I'm not a female, so no, but there's always a possibility the situation would arise in a loved one's life, and they deserve the right.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Thats like saying -as long as I stick my kid's hand inside my mouth I have the right to bite it off. 😂 You're trying to justify actions based on location, which is very lame.

It's also very true, and something you apparantly have zero counter for besides "THAT'S RIDICULOUS!".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, you are factually incorrect. I back my beliefs whenever I can and whenever the issues come up, I act on them as far as I possibly can, I vote etc. I do not have delusions of political aspiration like you seem to have, so forgive me for not saying I'd commit murder.

It's more cowardly to kill a man cos he disagrees.

And it proved nothing, so I'm asking for a better reply.

No? No relevance?

What do you mean? We all defend ourselves when it's convenient, what's your point?

Cop out.

At least you admit it. That's something that's a tiny saving grace.

No, it's not. You're willing to die and kill, yet you've done neither. So why?

I do, because you obviously haven't killed yourself have you? Are you saying you're a murderer?

So you haven't actually killed anyone or yourself...you're just willing to sit there and say you would? Thought so.

Don't say shit you know isn't true, that you would never do, because then someone will press you and you'll deny it. By murdering you'd get locked away, possibly killed. You'd give your cause and even worse name than it already has and nothing would be achieved at all.

So to sum it up.

You've not actually done anything I haven't done, really. Neither of us have killed, or killed ourselves, so what separates you from me? The fact that you've lost friendships due to your beliefs? Go you. I've never been such a sociopath that my friends have ditched me.

Until you kill a man or yourself, you're a liar.

-AC

I already explained that I sacrificed a couple of things, sure, it's small, but it's better than nothing. If you think I'm lying sure go-ahead, I would think I'm lying too if I had nothing to show for it.

But, I did something versus you and to me that's enough for now. There's really not much to say since your words will never hurt me nor do you have the balls to stand up for what you believe in. I dread the thought that there are more people like you. Because the world doesn't change with people like you.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll post when and where I wish.

-AC

Because it's conveinent, I doubt you would say such things at risk of getting hurt. 😆

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I already explained that I sacrificed a couple of things, sure, it's small, but it's better than nothing. If you think I'm lying sure go-ahead, I would think I'm lying too if I had nothing to show for it.

Then stop going around saying you would do such extreme things when you neither haven't, nor would you.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, I did something versus you and to me that's enough for now. There's really not much to say since your words will never hurt me nor do you have the balls to stand up for what you believe in. I dread the thought that there are more people like you. Because the world doesn't change with people like you.

Oh I'm sorry, I don't have the balls to commit murder, I must be a bad person.

YOU dread the world being full of people like me? You're no different from Bin Laden. He kills people who disagree with his beliefs too. He killed how many thousands of them?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Because it's conveinent, I doubt you would say such things at risk of getting hurt. 😆

Wait, are you under the impression that it's cool, good or valiant to murder someone for beliefs?

That's the impression I'm getting. Would you defend Bin Laden doing the same? Or is it only convenient when it's your beliefs?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then stop going around saying you would do such extreme things when you neither haven't, nor would you.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Oh I'm sorry, I don't have the balls to commit murder, I must be a bad person.

Yep, because we all know killing is never an option no matter what.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

YOU dread the world being full of people like me? You're no different from Bin Laden. He kills people who disagree with his beliefs too. He killed how many thousands of them?

Did he tell you that himself?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Wait, are you under the impression that it's cool, good or valiant to murder someone for beliefs?

Oi! I just told you that killing is a desperation choice not something that makes you cool you ****ing moron.

Willingness to die for you beliefs makes you a man in my book.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

That's the impression I'm getting. Would you defend Bin Laden doing the same? Or is it only convenient when it's your beliefs?

-AC

Bin Laden is a U.S. asset, they use him anytime they want to stur up something. State sponsored terrorism isn't anything new, bud.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll post when and where I wish. Turn on the waterworks somewhere else, guilt doesn't work with me.

-AC

So you only have to SAY you'd die, but never actually DO?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm sorry, but violence is an option for me, I'm not a pacifist at all. Sure, I would never enjoy killing, but what has to be done has to be done.

Oh come on.

Must be a joke. Good one.

Originally posted by Drusilla
So you only have to SAY you'd die, but never actually DO?

I mean, everyone who's risked their live has died. . . 🙄

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4264614.stm

Staged terror attack.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How does it feel to have someone tell you when and where to post? do you like the taste of your own medicine?

The difference is, he's telling me not to post cos he disagrees with what I'm saying and finds it sick. I SUGGEST you go elsewhere because you post nothing but irrelevant one liners and bitchfests like you just did, and that in the event you decide to stay, you shouldn't assume an immunity to being called out for it. It's the GDF. There's a difference. Look, if you just want my company and attention that badly, PM me and we'll chat.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I said I'm willing, does exhibitionist have to die to prove that he's willing?

Yes, pretty much. Prove what you claim and I'll believe you.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yep, because we all know killing is never an option no matter what.

Killing is an act, not a crime. Murder is a form of killing, one of many.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Did he tell you that himself?

Not a current events man I take it?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Oi! I just told you that killing is a desperation choice not something that makes you cool you ****ing moron.

Then quit acting like it's something that takes balls as if it's a manly act, which you HAVE said.

Someone's losing their temper.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Willingness to die for you beliefs makes you a man in my book.

If you have to go that far to be a man...well...issues galore there.

Willingness to die for your beliefs makes you dogmatic.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Bin Laden is a U.S. asset, they use him anytime they want to stur up something. State sponsored terrorism isn't anything new, bud.

Take it to the conspiracy forum with the rest of the morons, please.

The fact that you didn't answer my question is glaring you in the face.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, you have to die to be willing risk your life?

I mean, everyone who's risked their live has died. . . 🙄

How have you ever risked your life?

-AC

Go ahead, risk your life, I'm not stopping you.
I promise we'll start a memory thread just for you, where we discuss how watching too many episodes of the X-Files and taking them too seriously could ruin your life.

And you know, whatever it is that you're supporting, you are a bigger help if you're alive.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Yes, pretty much. Prove what you claim and I'll believe you.

I don't need you to believe me man.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Killing is an act, not a crime. Murder is a form of killing, one of many.

Humor me, what make murder different from killing. . .

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Then quit acting like it's something that takes balls as if it's a manly act, which you HAVE said.

Someone's losing their temper..

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

If you have to go that far to be a man...well...issues galore there.

Willingness to die for your beliefs makes you dogmatic.

And, arguing a point when it's convienent makes you a coward.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Take it to the conspiracy forum with the rest of the morons, please.

The fact that you didn't answer my question is glaring you in the face.

-AC

I did answer it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

How have you ever risked your life?

-AC

Originally posted by Drusilla
Go ahead, risk your life, I'm not stopping you.
I promise we'll start a memory thread just for you, where we discuss how watching too many episodes of the X-Files and taking them too seriously could ruin your life.

And you know, whatever it is that you're supporting, you are a bigger help if you're alive.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll post when and where I wish. Turn on the waterworks somewhere else, guilt doesn't work with me.
Did I say stabbing it is allowable? I said I don't spend time worrying about it.

Thats the impression I got. I also dont see much of a difference between abortion and stabbing the kid, because neither would really experience it any differently. The only difference between the kid and the growing kid is that one apparently has no rights -even though both can clearly display many of the same characteristics. Dont tell me that Baby Joe is any smarter than 9-month fetus Joe.

I'm not a female, so no, but there's always a possibility the situation would arise in a loved one's life, and they deserve the right.

I knew that.

And once again -back to "deserve" and "rights" even though abortion isnt a natural right and no one deserves it.

It's also very true, and something you apparantly have zero counter for besides "THAT'S RIDICULOUS!".
-AC

Which part of it? Justification by location, or that you would eat your kid's hand if it was in your mouth? Because that IS ridiculous.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm sorry, but violence is an option for me, I'm not a pacifist at all. Sure, I would never enjoy killing, but what has to be done has to be done.

A) Considering the abortion debate is fighting FOR life, violence is hypocritical.

B) There are some things that are worth fighting for with "the ends justifies the means" but this is not one of them, not yet. It is an extremely important thing, as some people fail to understand and take for granted, but it is not something that anyone should be hurt over. There are other alternatives.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I don't need you to believe me man.

Then you're in luck.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Humor me, what make murder different from killing. . .

The fact that killing is an act; murder, manslaughter etc are all different variations of this act. Euthanasia is killing too. Laws were set up to differentiate between different kinds of killing so people were not charge unjustly. If someone says "Please kill me.", and someone obliges, they do not deserve the same punishment as someone who stabbed a woman for her purse.

You obviously have trouble learning this. Killing = act. Murder = crime.

You kill germs when you mop your floor, it's not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Well, I'am laughing at you if that counts as losing my temperment.
And, quote me where I said killing make you a manly?

You said it takes "gonads", right? Balls?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And, arguing a point when it's convienent makes you a coward.

I argue points when they are relevant, there's a difference.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I did answer it.

You dodged, as you did here:

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yeah, but not for anything just.

I asked how, not have you. How.

How have you ever risked your life?

-AC

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Thats the impression I got. I also dont see much of a difference between abortion and stabbing the kid, because neither would really experience it any differently. The only difference between the kid and the growing kid is that one apparently has no rights -even though both can clearly display many of the same characteristics. Dont tell me that Baby Joe is any smarter than 9-month fetus Joe.

You don't see much difference between giving actual birth, waiting for the birth to finish, then going "OH I DON'T WANT IT! *Stab to death*.", and actually having a legal medical procedure? Then your arguments get even worse.

One doesn't have any human rights, it's not a human being, it's a human foetus in the sense that it was created by a human. Just like a hair off your head is a HUMAN hair, but not a human. That was originally VVD's point, I restated it cos it got overlooked.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
I knew that.

And once again -back to "deserve" and "rights" even though abortion isnt a natural right and no one deserves it.

Yes, they do deserve it.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Which part of it? Justification by location, or that you would eat your kid's hand if it was in your mouth? Because that IS ridiculous.

Location or not, it's still a factor that YOU cannot counter. All you have is "I DON'T SEE A DIFFERENCE!". Apparantly you're the minority, because science and many laws provide justifiable reason as to why abortions are legal.

-AC