Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

The fact that killing is an act; murder, manslaughter etc are all different variations of this act. Euthanasia is killing too. Laws were set up to differentiate between different kinds of killing so people were not charge unjustly. If someone says "Please kill me.", and someone obliges, they do not deserve the same punishment as someone who stabbed a woman for her purse.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You obviously have trouble learning this. Killing = act. Murder = crime.

You kill germs when you mop your floor, it's not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being.

There is no real difference, killing is killing. How people choose to differentiate is arbitary and so are laws.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You said it takes "gonads", right? Balls?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I argue points when they are relevant, there's a difference.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You dodged, as you did here:

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I asked how, not have you. How.

How have you ever risked your life?

-AC

-Harrassing cops
-Hanging out with gang memebers
-possession of illegal drugs
-Helping thieves

Nothing just like I said. . .

Originally posted by The Black Ghost

B) There are some things that are worth fighting for with "the ends justifies the means" but this is not one of them, not yet. It is an extremely important thing, as some people fail to understand and take for granted, but it is not something that anyone should be hurt over. There are other alternatives.

there are, but in this case violence is the best one.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Uh-Huh, and tell me something is a soldier who's at war commiting murder ??

Technically, no. It's not unlawful is it?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
There is no real difference, killing is killing. How people choose to differentiate is arbitary and so are laws.

So killing a spider is murder? Ending life = Murder?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yep

There you go then. It takes idiocy and a sense of martyrdom, not balls.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yep, when it's convienent, because you lack the nads to defend it under pressure.

I don't lack any kind of courage to defend my opinions, and not willing to die for them doesn't make me a coward, it makes me not willing to kill myself or be a murderer, which you aren't either.

You SAY you're willing, we have no proof.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, I didn't.

-Harrassing cops
-Hanging out with gang memebers
-possession of illegal drugs
-Helping thieves

Nothing just like I said. . .

So how was this risking your life for abortion, and not being a common street criminal?

You're an armchair thug. You'd never do anything as extreme as you preach.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Technically, no. It's not unlawful is it?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

So killing a spider is murder? Ending life = Murder?

I didn't even bring up murder, you did?
And to answer your question, it depends on the law.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

There you go then. It takes idiocy and a sense of martyrdom, not balls.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I don't lack any kind of courage to defend my opinions, and not willing to die for them doesn't make me a coward, it makes me not willing to kill myself or be a murderer, which you aren't either.

If that's what you wanna believe , you have no balls after all. So, saying something like that does not surprise me.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You SAY you're willing, we have no proof.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

So how was this risking your life for abortion, and not being a common street criminal?

You're an armchair thug. You'd never do anything as extreme as you preach.

-AC

Sure, I wouldn't. . .coward.

Anyway, you asked me how have I risked my life, and I told you in general. I told you already that I haven't risked my life for my beliefs yet, but it goes in one ear and out the other.

EDIT: why do keep asking the same question over and over? are you high?

Do you want me to quote how many times you've repeated yourself?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Laws are arbitary as in they are what the people of the land feel they are.

Is killing in war against the law? No, so it's not murder, technically. You asked if it was murder, and under modern law, no.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I didn't even bring up murder, you did?
And to answer your question, it depends on the law.

You said killing isn't different from murder. Murder is a crime with specific criteria.

And it doesn't does it? Killing a spider is not murder. Killing a man by accident is not murder.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It takes balls, which you do not have.

It takes balls to commit murder? Ok, let's make a deal. You have the balls to commit murder, I'll have the brains not to. Good?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
If that's what you wanna believe , you have no balls after all. So, saying something like that does not surprise me.

What's with the focus on balls? It has nothing to do with balls, or guts. It's about knowing that you're no real good to any cause if you're dead, and all YOU are is a common criminal.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I just answered that questioon your going in circles. . .

Yes, and it proves you've done NOTHING, have you? What have you actually done to bring the world closer to outlawing abortion?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sure, I wouldn't. . .coward.

Anyway, you asked me how have I risked my life, and I told you in general. I told you already that i haven't risked my life for my beliefs yet, but it goes in one ear and out the other.

Why haven't you?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Is killing in war against the law? No, so it's not murder, technically. You asked if it was murder, and under modern law, no.

I said humor me, I did not bring up murder at all until you kept mentioning it for no reason.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You said killing isn't different from murder. Murder is a crime with specific criteria.

And it doesn't does it? Killing a spider is not murder. Killing a man by accident is not murder.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

It takes balls to commit murder?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

What's with the focus on balls? It has nothing to do with balls, or guts. It's about knowing that you're no real good to any cause if you're dead, and all YOU are is a common criminal.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Yes, and it proves you've done NOTHING, have you? What have you actually done to bring the world closer to outlawing abortion?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Why haven't you?

-AC

I answered that already, but you know what your right. I shouldn't be dabbling with the likes of you. 😆

Silly me, Balls are for men.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The difference is, he's telling me not to post cos he disagrees with what I'm saying and finds it sick. I SUGGEST you go elsewhere because you post nothing but irrelevant one liners and bitchfests like you just did, and that in the event you decide to stay, you shouldn't assume an immunity to being called out for it. It's the GDF. There's a difference. Look, if you just want my company and attention that badly, PM me and we'll chat.

-AC

you call people morons, idiots, and say shit like "this debate is over", as if this will prove your argument wins out. and you accuse us of not "debating."

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I said humor me, I did not bring up murder at all until you kept mentioning it for no reason.

You didn't know the difference, still don't.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I stand by what I said Killing is Killing. A law does not change the under lying principle behind said act. Why are you acting as if it does?

If I accidentally run a man down and kill him in a car; I deserve imprisonment and the same treatment as you would for stabbing a man to death who disagreed with you?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Quote me where I said that, I dare you.

Note the question mark. I'm asking you.

THOUGH the implication is there. It takes balls to stand by your beliefs to an extreme degree; in your case this is murder.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Cowards plea. . .

Is that all you have left besides further confirming yourself as someone willing to commit murder, but really just a low life common street criminal?

The most daring thing you've probably done is eat chocolate before dinner without your parents knowing.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I answered that already two pages ago, Did you miss it?

So, nothing so far. Makes your argument a bit shallow.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I answered that already, but you know what your right. I shouldn't be dabbling with the likes of you. 😆

You really shouldn't. There's a place for your kind, it's called the conspiracy forum.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Silly me, Balls are for men.

You haven't even acted on it yet, so you can't say anything about balls.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Get over yourself, man. You are the KING of bitchfests. You assume dictatorship over this forum as if your word is law. And when someone says the same things to you that you say to them, you get upset.

you call people morons, idiots, and say shit like "this debate is over", as if this will prove your argument wins out. and you accuse us of not "debating."

All you've spent time doing in this thread recently is trying to get your fingernails (Which I imagine to be perfectly manicured.) into me. So...do you actually have anything non-bitchy to say that I haven't heard a billion times out of your childish, 30 plus year old mouth? Or will I have to ignore your posts aimed at me from now on? (I know why you're actually mad at me, but really, you've nothing to fear.).

Are you here to discuss abortion?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

You haven't even acted on it yet, so you can't say anything about balls.

-AC

But, I'm willing to while your not. Not, to mention that I've done some sacrifices for my cause, you have not. Honestly, I hope more of my enemies are as gutless as you, that way I can crush them easily. . .I'm done wth you.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm willing and your not. I just hope more of my enemies are as gutless as you, that way I can crush tem easily. . .I'm done wth you.

Did you NOT say the world rests on actions, not words?

You have words, no actions.

I'll wait for the counter.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
All you've spent time doing in this thread recently is trying to get your fingernails (Which I imagine to be perfectly manicured.) into me. So...do you actually have anything non-bitchy to say that I haven't heard a billion times out of your childish, 30 plus year old mouth? Or will I have to ignore your posts aimed at me from now on? (I know why you're actually mad at me, but really, you've nothing to fear.).

Are you here to discuss abortion?

-AC

Fear? 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Smilies; weapon of the insecure.

Reply.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Smilies; weapon of the insecure.

Reply.

-AC

I believe that in some cases Abortion is a humanitarian course of action...

Someone with no resources, no source of income, and no way of even supporting themselves may find Abortion a logic and -if anything- humanly way to not make a baby suffer through the trials it will inevitably have to.

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
Someone with no resources, no source of income, and no way of even supporting themselves may find Abortion a logic and -if anything- humanly way to not make a baby suffer through the trials it will inevitably have to.

Sometimes adoption isn't an option... heh heh...that rhymed...

Originally posted by Ashestoashesjc
I believe that in some cases Abortion is a humanitarian course of action...

So do I. Too many people who are ill equipped to rear children on many levels (financially, emotionally, cognitively) are having them. It creates problems for everyone. You end up with overcrowded classrooms, higher crime rates, more pollution etc. I know it may seem like a cynical vantage point, but that's how I see it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
ADOPTION.

You won't adopt, why should anyone else?

-AC