Originally posted by chillmeistergenThe presidential candidate who is elected stands against other candidates with other policies, this makes it a democracy.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
No, all governments are not bad. because all governments do not restrict a physical action based on a belief what the person is doing is wrong, and murder, contrary to all scientific research.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
No, not the personal beliefs of who is in charge, that is tyranny. Laws protect what the majority feel is important.
So, therefore it is dictated by humans feelings and not science. The number of people involved in descsion only dictate what type of government it is, but in the end it's still arbitrary to the people.
I'm starting to realize why I don't particularly like the American political system. It's laws restrict some lifestyles from both following through with their morals and/or becoming stronger as a whole. Maybe I'm stating this wrong as well, but it's constricting. Especially with "You know who" in charge... Can't say his name... every little thing I type on the internet may be being watched and recorded by government officials...
You seriously think the DHS is watching an insignificant forum goer? Please, I doubt even the Third Reich would take paranoia that far.
Anyhow, I suggest we don't lose sight of the topic. Are we trying to argue this from a legalistic point of view? If so, the burden of proof is on the pro-lifers. After all, most pro-lifers claim that equal protection under the law applies to Fetuses, much as it would to any minority. However, is is a fetus a political minority? Can it be classified as having its own legal rights? Or is it simply an extension of the mother until conception? I suggest you delve into those issues, and then we might have some popcorn worthy debate.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, it doesn't. . .You have no idea what your talking about.
Yes I do, you do not. http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/demo.htm
There's some reading for you.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That's bullshit, what Government uses science to dictates rights?
Well, if it's a human being; it is entitled to human rights. The definition of what is human stems from science.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, therefore it is dictated by humans feelings and not science. The number of people involved in descsion only dictate what type of government it is, but in the end it's still arbitrary to the people.
It is arbitrary to the majority, yes. The majority feel that abortion is OK, the minority do not. Scientific proof has been provided that shows that the minority have no right to use accusations of murder. Debate for the possible illegality of abortion is more full of holes than the Bible stories, the debater often uses.
Originally posted by Ymir
You seriously think the DHS is watching an insignificant forum goer? Please, I doubt even the Third Reich would take paranoia that far.Anyhow, I suggest we don't lose sight of the topic. Are we trying to argue this from a legalistic point of view? If so, the burden of proof is on the pro-lifers. After all, most pro-lifers claim that equal protection under the law applies to Fetuses, much as it would to any minority. However, is is a fetus a political minority? Can it be classified as having its own legal rights? Or is it simply an extension of the mother until conception? I suggest you delve into those issues, and then we might have some popcorn worthy debate.
I guess I agree. I fetus may not be a right weilding citizen, but it's mother sure is... at least until she decides to perform an abortion...
And hey! I hold valuable information that the governmanet would love to get it's hands on...
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Yes I do, you do not. http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/demo.htm
There's some reading for you.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Well, if it's a human being; it is entitled to human rights.
Originally posted by Ymir
Exactly! I'm fine with someone believing in Jesus being their savior. However, does that same belief hold any political merit? Call me a crazy liberal, but I agree with Barry Goldwater (incidentally, one of the most conservative politicians of his time).
Sure. Going back to science, a lot of Christian belief is disproven. For example, the birthtime of Jesus, the creation of the Universe, so on and so forth...
:edit: Or is that not what you were getting at?
Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Your own source.
Originally posted by Schecterpotential means a helluva lot more than you are realizing. just because it is a ball of cells that is not aware doesn't mean it is OK to abort it. At what point in Fetal development would you say that the ball of cells becomes more than just a ball of cells?
it makes no sense because it would be the same as trying to justify killing someone who's sleeping. its a weak and fallacious analogy since the only true disposition of an unconscious person is that their brains are not currently operating at full capacity.a ball of cells has no consciousness because it has no brain to be conscious and never WAS concsious. "p-o-t-e-n-t-i-a-l" means jackshit and has no bearing on whether or not it is the taking of an E-X-I-S-T-E-N-T life
and comparing a sleeping person to a comatose patient is a piss poor comparison.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Your own source.
All that a republic form of government means, is that it's not fronted by a monarchy. It doesn't concern the elective process, apart from the fact that again, it is not fronted by the monarchy. The very fact that it's a republic makes it a democracy.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
potential means a helluva lot more than you are realizing. just because it is a ball of cells that is not aware doesn't mean it is OK to abort it. At what point in Fetal development would you say that the ball of cells becomes more than just a ball of cells?
A) It's ok if she decides it is, to her. Ok or not, to you, you have no say and deserve no say.
B) When and IF it becomes a foetus is when it becomes "more" than cells. Do you honestly have no grasp of biological development? You keep asking the same questions.
-AC