Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, it belongs to there representatives, the masses do not elect any officials or vote for laws.
The representative are elected by the people, last time I checked. Therefore, power belongs ultimately to the people. It is only disseminated through the representatives. You've also shown a complete ignorance of the definition of direct and representative democracy.
Direct Democracy (Ancient Athens): Everyone votes on issues directly.
Representative Democracy: The people vote for representatives who will vote on issues for them.
A representative democracy is a republic.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You need to educate yourself. You saying how can we be a democracy when when we operate like a republic? Is idiotic.
America not a demoracy, that is B.S. propaganda.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
You act like a republic because the republic is democratically operated. If the country is not headed by a monarchy, it's a republic. A republic is a system of government, while a democracy is a way of governing.
Originally posted by Ymir
The representative are elected by the people, last time I checked. Therefore, power belongs ultimately to the people. It is only disseminated through the representatives. You've also shown a complete ignorance of the definition of direct and representative democracy.
Hell, your own definition that you posted explains this. In a Republic only a few peole qualified to vote can vote. In a Democracy all representatives and/or descions are decided by the Popular Vote vs a Republic where representatives are elected by a Electoral College.
Democracy:
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
Note that it never mentions a majority. Note also the bolded part. That's basically what a republic is.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Are you serious, our officials are elected by the Electoral College. This is basic High-School Social Studies and you didn't know that?
Uh. Only our president is elected by the electoral college. Ever since the 17th amendment, we've elected our senators, etc. directly.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Are you serious, our officials are elected by the Electoral College. This is basic High-School Social Studies and you didn't know that?
The public vote for the electoral college, based on the decision those members of the electoral college will make. The public are still having their vote.
'The electoral college formally elects the President of the United States. American voters do not vote directly for the President, but for members of the electoral college. The people in each state and the District of Columbia vote for a minimum of three such electors. This part of the process is called the popular vote. Normally electors are pledged to vote for a particular presidential candidate. ...'
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
The public vote for the electoral college, based on the decision those members of the electoral college will make. The public are still having their vote.
No, the Popular Vote simply tells the Electoral College who to vote for. They are not required by law to obligate the Popular vote, they simply choose too. Go back to school.
Originally posted by Ymir
RogueJedi: I'd just like to get to the meat of your argument. Are you supposing that a mother's right to adopt is superseded by the supposed rights of a fetus? Not only are you using an organism whose legal rights are nebulous, but you've just been going in circles. Get to the point already. Is that what you're suggesting?
Most here would tell you to read their posts, but I will be polite...
here are my views on abortion:
I believe that a woman should be denied an abortion just because it will be an inconvenience to her.
I believe that an abortion should be allowed only under the following conditions; 1. having the baby will possibly kill her 2. the baby will not survive the delivery process. 3. the baby will be born EXTREMELY deformed.
therefore, I suppose I do not believe that abortion should be banned outright, just regulated.
I believe that once the sperm penetrates the ovum and reaches the uterus, it is a potential living thing. therefore, it should be allowed to develop into a living entity.
Clear?
Originally posted by Ymir
What's your point? With universal suffrage, any legal citizen of the United States can vote. They merely allow representatives to vote for them. Note the definition above. Like I said, civics class. Your ignorance is getting to be astounding.
dohYou missed the point completely, ultimately they do not elect the officials the Electoral College does.
@Ashtar: You're arguing absolutes. The simple nature of politics dictates that the people will be heard one way or another, or the politician in question will not be reelected. Like I said, the burden of proof is still on you. I've also already answered your point. Look up 17th amendment. The Electoral College only elects a President.
@RogueJedi: You're still arguing potentialities. As others have pointed out, you could make masturbation illegal by using the argument that sperm is 'potential life'. Thus, the slippery slope effect comes into play. What else might be defined as potential life?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Are you serious, our officials are elected by the Electoral College's vote not the Popular Vote. This is basic High-School Social Studies and you didn't know that?Hell, your own definition that you posted explains this. In a Republic only a few peole qualified to vote can vote. In a Democracy all representatives and/or descions are decided by the Popular Vote vs a Republic where representatives are elected by a Electoral College.
No, I've been to school thanks and am still in further education. Judging by your spelling, knowledge and overall stupidity you either went after having a bad knock to the cranium, or haven't been at all.
Originally posted by Ymir
@Ashtar: You're arguing absolutes. The simple nature of politics dictates that the people will be heard one way or another, or the politician in question will not be reelected. Like I said, the burden of proof is still on you.
I already proved that they conflcit.
Democracy: All power is given to the majority and is either excersized directly or by representatives
Republic: Power is divided to certain officials, the majority make suggestions and not descions. The majority do not have the right to voote.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I already proved that they conflcit.Democracy: All power is given to the majority and is either excersized directly or by representatives
Republic: Power is divided to certain officials, the majority make suggestions and not descions. The majority do not have the right to voote.
Actually, you just defined a republic in the first definition. A republic is not a direct democracy. It is a representative democracy. This is getting tiresome. Just look it up on Wikipedia. I've already tried to stress to you that there are no inherent conflicts, because neither concepts occupy the same ideological plane.