Abortion

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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
If the State feels it's illegal to pump certain drugs they deem illegal for whatever reasons into my body. Why can't they do the same for a women, honestly abrotions should only be a last resort for proven rape victims. And, by proven, I mean Women who were raped not do to intoxication or folly.

That sounds like a life and death situtation, problem is most abortions are not. Even if I say yes that doesn't make abortion anymore moral since they definetly are not in the same context as this. Anyway, he could have my kidney since humans have two.

Two great non-answers.

Have to agree with the 80s Skeletor. You're skirting the issue. Is there going to be a definite limit? No abortions unless utterly necessary. What about enforcing the law? What about those breaking it?

Never understood why the foetuses of rapists deserve to die.

Hypocrisy. Either give full protection or not.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, this isn't a game show.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Never understood why the foetuses of rapists deserve to die.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It doesn't have to be one or the other, this isn't a game show.

Well it does. You can't start picking it apart and say well I suppose women who were raped, deserve an abortion. There should be equality, either don't have it available at all, or available to all women. Saying that only raped women should be entitled to abortions is still 'killing' a foetus. Is it somehow OK to kill it now, because it will share genes with a rapist?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Well it does. You can't start picking it apart and say well I suppose women who were raped, deserve an abortion. There should be equality, either don't have it available at all, or available to all women. Saying that only raped women should be entitled to abortions is still 'killing' a foetus. Is it somehow OK to kill it now, because it will share genes with a rapist?

I make an exception to rape, The End.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I make an exception to rape, The End.

Thankfully, you have no power to force that view onto others, and probably never will.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Thankfully, you have no power to force that view onto others, and probably never will.

Sure I don't 😉

I've received few definite answers from people.

This is anencephaly:

It has an incidence of about 4000 per year.
Around 50% of non-aborted cases die during childbirth, the other half die during the perinatal period of a few days. There is no cure, there is no treatment other than palliative.
It can be diagnosed during gestation.
The improper formation of the cranium and subsequent lack of forebrain mean the fetus does not develop conscious faculties - sight, hearing, nociception, movement, memory - nothing.
When the fetus is diagnosed with anencephaly most women opt for termination.
It is genus Homo species sapiens.

Out of curiosity, who would make the judgment that in such a scenario the woman who opts for an abortion is "wrong?"

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Out of curiosity, who would make the judgment that in such a scenario the woman who opts for an abortion is "wrong?"

Not me. . .

I'd opt for abortion, but then so would I if I just didn't feel ready for kids at the time.

Further to the question I'd ask why exactly one comes to such an opinion?

Because it lacks viability and will die ex utero?
Because it lacks sentient faculties?
Other reasons?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Because it lacks viability and will die ex utero?

This seems about right.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
This seems about right.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
95%< of fetuses lack viability ex utero at the stage at which they are aborted. Post-viability abortions are only legally performed for medical reasons.

Where are you getting these numbers from, I didn't know most fetuses were removed for medical reasons.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Where are you getting these numbers from, I didn't know most fetuses were removed for medical reasons.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I didn't say most fetuses, I stated post-viability abortions were only legal for life and health reasons.