Abortion

Originally posted by WickedTexasMomA
I see where you are going and I RESPECT you opinion so how come you can't do the same for mine? You have done nothing but attack everything I think, Yes I AM closed minded when it comes to some things Ex: Abortion. I accept that your pro-choice and I'm NOT trying to change your views but at every turn you are being a cynical ******* towards me and MY believes Or my opinions.

I respect your right to the opinion, and all I'm doing is asking you what your thoughts are when I present my argument. If you can't handle having your, quite frankly, very hypocritical views on abortion held up to question and proven to be faulty, don't be public with them, and don't reply with "I have the freedom of speech.", because guess what...? I do too.

It's a discussion board.

You took it more seriously than was needed. I respect your right to the opinion, not the opinion itself, and all I did was present a post and asked you what you thought, given that analogy, and you freaked.

I'm not trying to change your mind, I don't care. I'm just asking questions that you could have civilly answered, but you obviously cannot handle having your debate held up to question. If it upsets you that, when broken down, your argument makes absolutely no sense, that's your problem. I wasn't being mean, I wasn't insulting you. I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your argument, exactly. It's what happens here.

I know you'd love to turn every thread into a flirt fest with your friends, but this is the GDF, let's try to salvage some dignity for it, shall we?

Way to overreact.

-AC

I can handled it, its when you brought my kids into the argument that I took it personally.

Originally posted by WickedTexasMomA
I can handled it, its when you brought my kids into the argument that I took it personally.

Which was pages ago, which was based on your previous statements that weren't serious, which I have since said I have no problem with therefore? That? You just chose the time when I was taking apart your argument to bring it up, not when I ACTUALLY said it? Very odd.

So now we've cleared that up, you can feel free to civilly reply to the civil questions I directed at you.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You don't believe dogs should be banned because owners misuse either the right to own them or are idiots when raising them, right? You do not believe your right to own a dog, as a dog lover and carer, should be restricted on account of idiots, do you?

I assume yes, based on other dog threads.

So why, then, do you feel abortion should be illegal cos idiots misuse them? It's not everyone else's fault. Furthermore, it's quite out of order basing the whole bias on your one-off, personal trauma.

In addition to all that, you said it's a violation of the womb. So stop your own womb being violated and let women do as they wish with theirs.

What's your take on that?

-AC

I'm against anything that includes killing, be it animals or unborn children.
To ban a breed from being brought into a state wouldn't be a huge deal. But when those Laws include that all animals found with out a chip should be killed. And that each dog has to have a 100.000$ insurance taken out on them, That stupid. Its a living that that needs to be loved and taken care of, Not killed. Just because a few cases where an animal has attacked a human is no right to kill the whole breed out, Which they are trying so hard to do to the AmStaffs.

Originally posted by WickedTexasMomA
I'm against anything that includes killing, be it animals or unborn children.
To ban a breed from being brought into a state wouldn't be a huge deal. But when those Laws include that all animals found with out a chip should be killed. And that each dog has to have a 100.000$ insurance taken out on them, That stupid. Its a living that that needs to be loved and taken care of, Not killed. Just because a few cases where an animal has attacked a human is no right to kill the whole breed out, Which they are trying so hard to do to the AmStaffs.

Precisely, and those killings are usually down to stupid or irresponsible breeders, correct?

So we can agree that people who care for dogs shouldn't be restricted, right?

If you dislike abortion, fine by me. I personally feel women who use them as birth control are dumb, but people are dumb, you can't ban abortion, which is a NECESSARY medical procedure in today's world, just because idiots are out there.

Just don't have one.

The violation of the womb comment sealed it. You are not responsible for any woman's womb but your own. Nobody is asking you to like abortion, just don't go trying to ban it.

You don't ban musicians you dislike, you just stop listening.

-AC

as i said, this thread is appropriately named on many levels.

It's called ABORTION STORE, ya douchebags!

I-I'm sorry about "douchebags", I got low blood sugar.

-AC

I never tried to Ban abortions, Sure Ive got a sign in my profile about it, But I wouldn't ever try to ban it. As much as I dislike it and do NOT agree with it. I wouldn't want a young little girl who was raped and become pregnant to deal with that. Been there done that, wouldn't wish it on anyone. And I sure as shit wouldn't ban it!!!!! Do you know just last year a woman had trouble when she was 3months pregnant and she was in need of an abortion or she would die!!! They wouldn't do it! She had to go through court for it and by the time her court date came she was dead.

Its is stupid owners and stupid women who cause banning of a whole breed or abortions being over used that causes so much trouble. I'm still pro-life tho except for medical treatment abortions or rape cases.

Originally posted by WickedTexasMomA

Its is stupid owners and stupid women who cause banning of a whole breed or abortions being over used that causes so much trouble. I'm still pro-life tho except for medical treatment abortions or rape cases.

so you believe that a zygote is a living being, endowed with the inaliable rights of any other sentient human being. you feel that a zygote is an innocent sentient being. yet in the case of rape, you feel it is justified to kill an innocent human being? why? what did it do? why all of the sudden is it ok to kill it? because she didnt want it? well surely you can see the fundamental flaw in your logic here, yes?

When the woman had NO choice, She has the right to fix the male mistake by any means necessary.

Originally posted by WickedTexasMomA
When the woman had NO choice, She has the right to fix the male mistake by any means necessary.

She has the right anyway, you just don't like it. That's what you fail to grasp here.

YOU don't think it should happen unless it's an emergency or rape, fine, but women have the right to have abortions for whatever reason, as they should.

Sucks that it's used as birth control by some, but that's the way it goes.

-AC

Originally posted by WickedTexasMomA
When the woman had NO choice, She has the right to fix the male mistake by any means necessary.

hold on. this is an 'innocent life'. a life (im using your own stance, not my own, keep in mind) which will likely be born as an infant if not killed. so now all of the sudden she has the right to take an innocent life? how could you possibly justify that?

i support a womans right to choose based on the fact that a zygote is not a sentient human being. however i must say that if my belief was that it is indeed a human being, i would find what you just said to be completely heartless and cruel. a death sentence on a child as punishment for the crime of it's father.

One of the most regressive debates I have ever seen. 650 pages and still the same arguments all over again.

/sigh

No I do understand that and One single person cant change it. *sighs* And to be frank, I do not have the right to tell anyone they cant have one. Its the USA, And if it was ever banned there would be a huge mass of women with coat hangers up there pussys. There's no telling how many women would die if things went back like that. I don't like it, wont ever like it, But again nothing I can do to stop it. BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT I feel that if they do not out right ban abortions and they do make it legal in more states we should make guide lines to it. Such as you can only have one abortion every 15years and you should have the option to get fixed afterwards and the state should PAY for it.

Originally posted by RedAlertv2
One of the most regressive debates I have ever seen. 650 pages and still the same arguments all over again.

/sigh

funny how everyone who posts this (happens every 20 pages or so) fails to see that they are also a part of this folly.

Originally posted by Schecter
hold on. this is an 'innocent life'. a life (im using your own stance, not my own, keep in mind) which will likely be born as an infant if not killed. so now all of the sudden she has the right to take an innocent life? how could you possibly justify that?

i support a womans right to choose based on the fact that a zygote is not a sentient human being. however i must say that if my belief was that it is indeed a human being, i would find what you just said to be completely heartless and cruel. a death sentence on a child as punishment for the crime of it's father.

Originally posted by WickedTexasMomA
I would kill myself before hurting anyones child. But I feel that my grounds of abortion can not stand up to someone who has had no choice in what went inside her body. Yes in my mind abortion isnt right, But was it right for a girl the age of 10 to be held down and beaten then raped? No. I FULLY support the day after pill but withen the first 24hours the sperm and egg have not fully joined and at this time the day after pill is the best choice for cases as rape.

well, you narrowed the premise to a 10 year old girl being raped, impregnated, and taking an abortion pill within 24 hours. what are the odds? now what are the odds of a woman (any age) being raped and not finding out that they are pregnant until over 24 hours after? pretty damn good. people in traumatic situations like that rarely compose themselves immediately and run out to buy a home pregnancy test. in fact if im not mistaken they usually spend a few days having a nervous breakdown and shutting down completely.

so with that said: woman gets raped and there is indeed a zygote. do you feel it is justifiable to "kill" this "innocent baby". its a simple question. no loading of the question needed. no sentiments and assurances necessary. just "yes" or "no"

For rape,Yes

thank you

and i will then ask: do you feel that a zygote is endowed with the same rights as a human being? an "innocent life"

After 4weeks,Yes.