Originally posted by vivando-locaCause they aren't affected by childbirth in our society.
i'm pro-choice.males can have an opinion, but they have absolutely no idea what their talking about (no offense). or they do, but since they'll never have to go through a childbirth or an abortion, their opinions really shouldn't count in the long run. (IMO)
....wait a minute.
Originally posted by vivando-loca
males can have an opinion, but they have absolutely no idea what their talking about (no offense). or they do, but since they'll never have to go through a childbirth or an abortion, their opinions really shouldn't count in the long run. (IMO)
Well, if that isn't the most stupid post I have seen on this board.
Men have every right to an opinion. They can't make the CHOICE, but they are as every bit entitled to an opinion as you or I. Abortion does affect the male, especially if he wants the baby. It must be hard to accept that your girlfriend wants an abortion, when you disagree. Even though the man can't force the woman to keep the baby, it would still be hard for men to go through that.
Originally posted by Jaime Sommers
Well, if that isn't the most stupid post I have seen on this board.Men have every right to an opinion. They can't make the CHOICE, but they are as every bit entitled to an opinion as you or I. Abortion does affect the male, especially if he wants the baby. It must be hard to accept that your girlfriend wants an abortion, when you disagree. Even though the man can't force the woman to keep the baby, it would still be hard for men to go through that.
E-exactly. But that's not saying the guys opinion on the issue is unimportant. Just that every opinion that denies the woman the right to choose is shit.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
they have no right to judge or limit the choices of others.
But they have the right to take another person's life for no other reason then "just cause".
That makes a crapload of sense! There's no conceivable way you'd be thrown in a mental institution! No sirry! 🙄
Originally posted by GannonBut what's the point of life if people are robbing you of your choices? Today, it's abortion. Tomorrow they'll say that homosexuality is stopping reproduction, therefore bad, and then after that we'll probably not be able to sell our sperm anymore.
Choices are choices but when a baby's life is in danger for the sake of a women's "choice" there is clearly something wrong.The freedom of life is one of man's basic liberties.
Besides, there is 6 billion people on the planet, only 4 billion of them are able eat healthily. I think that constitutes an argument for too much people. With the world being more and more populated, there hasn't been a better chance to abort new borns.
Believe me, I'm pro life aswell, I think we all are, but you're anti-choice.
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I'm in complete agreeance with lord xyz. You lot are against choice.
Yes, men can have a choice. No one was saying that our opinions were denying women the right to choose whether to abort. I think abortion is wrong, personally, but I'm not gonna go shove that done other people's throats. If a girl wants to abort a baby, they can go ahead. It's not the guys choice. He may have an opinion, but he's not denying the girl the right to choose.
Originally posted by lord xyzSo then you don't think the government should punish murderers for murdering? After all, its their choice to kill. What happened to the baby's choices and rights? Does the baby get a choice to live? Making the choice to kill another human being is wrong and should not be tolerated.
But what's the point of life if people are robbing you of your choices? Today, it's abortion. Tomorrow they'll say that homosexuality is stopping reproduction, therefore bad, and then after that we'll probably not be able to sell our sperm anymore.Besides, there is 6 billion people on the planet, only 4 billion of them are able eat healthily. I think that constitutes an argument for too much people. With the world being more and more populated, there hasn't been a better chance to abort new borns.
Believe me, I'm pro life aswell, I think we all are, but you're anti-choice.
Sure i am a guy and i don't know what it is like to be pregnant but i was once an unborn baby and if my mom decided to abort me then that would have violated my rights.
I am not anti choice. However I believe that if someones choice takes away the rights of others, than it shouldn't be allowed.
Your argument for there being too many people in the world is just plain illogical. We, obviously being more fortunate then most of the world, having access to computers etc. should make an effort to help others around the world but killing our unborn baby's is not the way to do it. But that is another issue.
Originally posted by Jaime Sommers
Pro lifers would try to force someone to have a baby, even if it meant the mother ended up on the street. Pro lifers care only about the fetus, not the mothers life, or feelings.
I think you may have misinterpreted what I had meant by the example I made. It was more or less aimed at people who say they're pro-life. I've been to places in my area such as planned parenthood and abortion clinics with friends, and the protesters are ridiculous. The point of the example was to pretty much say to anyone pro-life, put YOURSELF in this situation - what would YOU do. That specific pro-life person would most likely not go with their beliefs in that situation, whether they are an honest enough person to admit it or not. Although, "honest enough" may not always be the correct word as some people really do believe they would stick through that situation, until it actually happens to them and it really does become a reality.
Originally posted by Bardock42
And you don't believe that being a parasite inside of a person for 9 months, causing them severe pain, discomfort and possible death....does not infringe on the rights of said person? Nevermind that it isn't even a self aware human or recognized citizen of the country that gives those rights.
Originally posted by Gannon
If a women does not want the pain of giving birth, she should not have sex. They chose to have sex and the consequence of their decision to have sex is having a baby. After all it is the reproductive system. 😉
Most cases of abortion aren't because the women "does not want the pain of giving birth" - that's usually not even one of the issues that crosses the persons mind. And just because someone has sex, does not mean that they should be forced to have that baby if they do not want to. People choose to have sex with protection, and still end up getting pregnant. If the person is too young, irresponsible, or financially incapable that baby might be better off not being born into that situation. Also, most abortion are performed very early in abortion and the fetus does not feel any pain whatsoever - and before 10 weeks it isn't even considered a fetus, it is still an embryo.
As far as your previous comment about the babies rights and choices. It isn't technically even a baby by the time it is usually aborted. Also, it isn't granted any rights until birth. As far as the "babies choice" - it is physically incapable of making a choice, so how can it have one?
Originally posted by GannonCan be used for fun too. You are trying to tell them what to do and what not to do, you are factually against choice.
If a women does not want the pain of giving birth, she should not have sex. They chose to have sex and the consequence of their decision to have sex is having a baby. After all it is the reproductive system. 😉
Originally posted by Gannon
If a women does not want the pain of giving birth, she should not have sex. They chose to have sex and the consequence of their decision to have sex is having a baby. After all it is the reproductive system. 😉
Oh, the Middle Ages logic. Convincing as always.
Also, 'pain of giving birth'??? You have a very low opinion on women. Aren't men the ones who think the world conspired against them whenever they catch a cold? Or cut a finger and suffer terrible blood loss?
So, following your fascinating logic, sex equals baby. Assuming you ever had sex, how many kids do you have? When you see a woman, you think, 'Wow, what a nice reproducting mate,'?
Originally posted by GannonWe could. But abortion is not murder, so I really don't have to argue that.
You are right. I am factually against the choice of a woman to abort her baby. Like it or not, a fetus is a living human being, and therefore abortion is murder.Are you arguing that we can choose to murder?
Originally posted by Captain King
So apparently people don't have the right to judge or limit the choices of others.But they have the right to take another person's life for no other reason then "just cause".
That makes a crapload of sense! There's no conceivable way you'd be thrown in a mental institution! No sirry! 🙄
What life? It's potential, not a life. It is scientifically not a life, therefore it is not a life. By saying it's a life, you are wrong.
Originally posted by DulcieI'm not saying women are wimps if that is what you thought. I was simply replying to Bardock's statement on one reason why a women might want an abortion.
Oh, the Middle Ages logic. Convincing as always.
Also, 'pain of giving birth'??? You have a very low opinion on women. Aren't men the ones who think the world conspired against them whenever they catch a cold? Or cut a finger and suffer terrible blood loss?
So, following your fascinating logic, sex equals baby. Assuming you ever had sex, how many kids do you have? When you see a woman, you think, 'Wow, what a nice reproducting mate,'?
Obviously every time someone has sex they do not have a baby. However we all know having sex can result in having a baby. If a couple gets pregnant with an unwanted baby, as much as you might not like it, it is their own fault.
Please read the posts before you get offended. My apologies if you were offended.
Originally posted by Bardock42Murder - the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
We could. But abortion is not murder, so I really don't have to argue that.
Killing - to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay.
Life - the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.
Thank you for correcting me Bardock. Abortion is in fact not technically murder since it is not against the law. However i think it should be against the law because it is killing a living human.
Originally posted by chillmeistergenLife - the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.
What life? It's potential, not a life. It is scientifically not a life, therefore it is not a life. By saying it's a life, you are wrong.
According to its definition life starts when the organism begins developing organs. Therefore an unborn baby has life as soon as its conceived, because that is when it begins developing organs.
References:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary
http://dictionary.reference.com
If I am wrong please prove it and I may reconsider my views. Thanks for the opportunity to discuss. 🙂
Originally posted by Gannon
You are right. I am factually against the choice of a woman to abort her baby. Like it or not, a fetus is a living human being, and therefore abortion is murder.
Human being makes a fetus not. Fetus has not taken a breath, therefore is not living. Since fetus is not breathing, fetus is not being. Therefore, fetus is neithor living nor being, and therefore abortion is not murder.
Educate yourself.
Originally posted by Gannon
If a women does not want the pain of giving birth, she should not have sex. They chose to have sex and the consequence of their decision to have sex is having a baby. After all it is the reproductive system. 😉
And women should cover themselves up when walking the streets at night so she doesn't get raped and unwilling use her REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM, hmm?
And couples who have no desire to start a family should not have sex because that reproductive system might put a baby in da womby?
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