Originally posted by Captain King
What you're advocating is class-based sepratism of women are better then men because they have a vagina. That's it. You're a biggot. You don't mind women killing thier children because they have a vagina.
So, if everyone, males and females were able to give birth, abortion would be okay? Sounds like vagina envy to me. And that has nothing to do with abortion, you're only sexist.
wow this thread just gets more and more retarded.
so abortion is a privilege, like driving. hitler would have supported abortion. you are a bigot if you feel that a woman has a right to choose what to do with her own body...and abortion is factually murder...as in unlawful killing...although its legal...'fact'.
wonderful
Originally posted by SchecterNot everywhere.
wow this thread just gets more and more retarded.so abortion is a privilege, like driving. hitler would have supported abortion. you are a bigot if you feel that a woman has a right to choose what to do with her own body...and abortion is factually murder...as in unlawful killing...although its legal...'fact'.
wonderful
Originally posted by Captain King
No it's not a right.Is driving a right? No, you have to get a liscence. A liscence that can be taken away.
Rights do not exsist. Only privlages and who is willing to exscersize for or against those privlages. Just as the law stops me from killing everyone who looks at me cock-eyed. It should stop women from sucking thier babies out of a vacuum cleaner.
That sortof class sepratism has no place in a civil society. For that matter I might as well live in anarchy. Where women can kill thier babies by eating the purple berries.
It tastes like burning...
I'm sorry, since when did you have to have a licence to get an abortion?
You stroll in, make an appointment, turn up - get an abortion. The only similarities it has to driving, is that you have to book a driving test.
Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that privilege was something given to have advantage over others, and a right is a belief of something we should be able to do.Privilege: Can have the possibily of doing it
Right: Should have the possibility of doing it
I take it that's directed at me? If so, you realise I'm arguing the same point you are?
Oh, of course, I used subtlety. I'm sorry, I should have thought of you, before I did.
Originally posted by chillmeistergenIt's not directed at you. Just me bringing out my opinion about the debate you were having.
I take it that's directed at me? If so, you realise I'm arguing the same point you are?Oh, of course, I used subtlety. I'm sorry, I should have thought of you, before I did.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I'm sorry, since when did you have to have a licence to get an abortion?You stroll in, make an appointment, turn up - get an abortion. The only similarities it has to driving, is that you have to book a driving test.
Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that privilege was something given to have advantage over others, and a right is a belief of something we should be able to do.Privilege: Can have the possibily of doing it
Right: Should have the possibility of doing it
I'm sorry, but since when do I need an echo?
....Does no one have qualms with the titles of all these Abortion-themed threads? Why do they always ask if you "believe in" or are "for" abortion? I would certainly say neither, although I'd also have to say that I would consider it an option and respect a woman's decision regarding said topic, (depending on the circumstances, of course).
Originally posted by Melcórë
....Does no one have qualms with the titles of all these Abortion-themed threads? Why do they always ask if you "believe in" or are "for" abortion? I would certainly say neither, although I'd also have to say that I would consider it an option and respect a woman's decision regarding said topic, (depending on the circumstances, of course).
The point's been raised before, I believe.
Under what circumstances do you think a choice should be made unavailable?
Still Waiting for a Response
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I propose then, that we grant that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. How does the argument go from here? Something like this, I take it:Every person has a right to life, so the fetus has a right to life. No doubt the mother has a right to decide what shall happen in and to her body, everyone would grant that. But surely, a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than the mother's right to decide what happens in and to her body, and so outweighs it. So the fetus may not be killed, an abortion may not be performed.
It sounds plausible, but now let me ask you to imagine this:
You wake up in the morning and find yourself back-to-back in bed with an unconscious violinist . . . a famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. Therefore, they have kidnapped you, and last night, the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own.
The director of the hospital now tells you, "Look, we're sorry the Society of Music Lovers did this to you, we would never have permitted it if we had known. But still, they did it, and the violinist now is plugged into you. To unplug you would be to kill him. But never mind, it's only for nine months, by then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you."
Is it morally incumbent on you to accede to this situation? No doubt it would be very nice of you if you did, a great kindness. But do you have to accede to it? What if it were not nine months, but nine years? Or longer still?
What if the director of the hospital says, "Tough luck, I agree, but now you've got to stay in bed with the violinist plugged into you for the rest of your life, because remember this: All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted, you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body, so you cannot ever be unplugged from him."
I imagine you would regard this as outrageous, which suggests that something really is wrong with that plausible sounding argument I mentioned a moment ago.
Re: Still Waiting for a Response
Originally posted by Captain KingI find CaptainKing's impersonation of DevilKing to be ludicrous. I know he's trying to put on a goatee and be the "evil/opposite" version, but it fails.
That's what they said about slavery.Give it a hundred years. I hope I get to see abortion banned in my lifetime, just to see the look on people like you's faces.