Originally posted by Bardock42
The original and original sock of Captain King 😐
I've seen him directly twist Capt's quotes sayings, he's definitely trying to be an "Evil Capt". Though he probably is an idiot besides that point, as you implied.
P.S. Shove that emote up your greasy German ass, don't emote me, mister.
I don't have a problem with abortion, like the majority of people, but for me it depends on what stage of pregnancy you have the abortion in.
A fetus is not a life, only a potential life, right? Pro lifers can say that a fetus is a life, but fetus can mean an 8 week old fetus or a 40 week old fetus. An 8 week old fetus cannot survive outside the womb, nor can an 18 week old fetus. A 30 week old fetus most likely can.
I would not say that a fetus is a life, until it reaches viabilty. When there is more chance the fetus can survive outside the womb than not survive. When this happens, I'd say the fetus is certainly more than a potential life, it is an almost certain life. Not a life, as in human being, but more of a life that same fetus was, say, three months before.
I would not be bothered if a woman went and aborted her 8 week old fetus (example) because she didn't want it. I would feel differently, however, if that same woman aborted her 26 week old fetus (example) because she didn't want it. There are 18 weeks in between, how long does it take to make an appointment?
I, on the other hand, would not be bothered if this same woman aborted her 26 week old fetus due to a medical complaint. If the fetus was brain damaged, or would likely be born severely disabled.
I realise this sounds hypocritical, but it is my opinion, and I am entitled to it.
Abortion is a right, but it is not a method of birth control. No woman sound ever engage in unprotected sex, thinking, 'It's okay, if I get pregnant I can just have an abortion'. Is this a smart way of thinking? Of course not.
If two people have consensual intercourse, and both have no desire for children, all care MUST be taken to ensue that there is no possibility of a pregnancy.
There a many, many methods of birth control out there, not just the Pill, and condoms. Some people are allergic to latex, or the Pill, and claim that 'There isn't anything else to use'. Of course there is. It is just a matter of finding which method works best for you. And don't just use one form of birth control - the more you use, the less chance of pregnancy.
Sometimes I wonder if there shouldn't be better sex education taught in schools - if teenagers knew about birth control, and safe sex, perhaps there wouldn't be so many abortions, due to unwanted pregnancy. There would certainly be a decline, anyway.
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Originally posted by Dulcie
You forget one thing: pro-lifers can't be convinced with such things as facts. They make up their own truth. They know things from the gut. 😄
I get you but they won't. To them, human life begins when you check someone out and think: 'Wow, she's/he's hot!'
Lol, you sure have a sense of humour. 😂
Ah, yes, facts. Facts don't exist to pro lifers. I'd like to see a pro life argument, complete with facts, that have been proven and undisputed. What chance do you think there'll be of that happening? 😛
Originally posted by Jaime Sommers
Abortion is a right
When you say the above, you cannot follow it with this:
Originally posted by Jaime Sommers
but it is not a method of birth control. No woman sound ever engage in unprotected sex, thinking, 'It's okay, if I get pregnant I can just have an abortion'. Is this a smart way of thinking? Of course not.
It's their right to use it as birth control.
I disagree with such use, but that's me.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
When you say the above, you cannot follow it with this:It's their right to use it as birth control.
I disagree with such use, but that's me.
-AC
Fair enough. I can see your point, and I guess it is their right, as it is their bodies, but like yourself, I disagree with it.
Ok, I didn't read most of the posts as there's 668 pages and there is no way I was reading all that.
But I personally think that to have a stance on abortion, you have to have experience with it. How can you be educated on something that you've never had experience with doing or making choices? Most people I know can say one thing, but when it comes down to it they would do another.
For anyone who says they are pro-life, answer me this. Imagine you're a 16 year old girl. Your boyfriend left you the minute he found out you were pregnant. You have no job and no money. Your family has already told you that if you keep that baby, you will be disowned. Are you still pro-life? Do you still have that baby even if it means living on the street with it? Or do you get the abortion and keep your cozy lifestyle?
And I'm not trying to sound mean in any way, up until about a month or so ago I was pretty much pro-life. In a way I still am. But I've change my opinions greatly. I don't think abortion should be such a public issue as it has been. Everyone fighting to decide what's the best laws on abortion. The best laws on abortion that will fit everyone are the current laws. I don't know the laws where most of you live, but I live in the state of CT in the USA. And abortion is very legal here. I believe that everyone personal opinions are just that - personal opinions. I don't understand how anyone could try and make someone else change their opinions. If you're pro-life, that's fine. If you're pro-choice, that's fine too. But I don't believe pro-life people should push anyone else to feel the way they do. If you feel that way, you can practice your own beliefs, don't make others try to change theirs. And I feel the same way towards pro-choice people. You can practice your opinions as much as you want, but don't try to make someone who is pro-life change their mind about what they believe in.
I think I worded what I was trying to say wrong - but I thought I got my point across with my example. Basically, if you have no experience with something, your opinion will be different than if you do. Like what I was trying to prove with my example, someone can be pro-life all the way, but if that was their situation I'm pretty sure their attitude would change very quickly.
The same sort of idea works for the death penalty too. Someone who is entirely against the death penalty has a pretty good chance of changing their mind when it's going to affect someone in their family. Flip it and someone who doesn't believe in the death penalty would probably strongly change their mind to see the murderer of their 5-year old child put to death.
Experience changes everything. Once you've had experience with something your opinion will probably change. But once you've experienced something and your opinion has changed because of it, chances are your opinion isn't going to change again.
You're right, opinions can change due to experience. But.
You know how many pro-life people say that if they (or their girl) got pregnant, they'd keep the child, etc. Well, I think it's bs. Their opinions would change, but they are so high on their morals, they would never admit it. Not even for the sake of argument.
I like your train of thought, though.
Originally posted by Sabrea
But I personally think that to have a stance on abortion, you have to have experience with it.
That would mean the vast majority would not be entitled to an opinion, no matter how well informed they may be.
Originally posted by Sabrea
For anyone who says they are pro-life, answer me this. Imagine you're a 16 year old girl. Your boyfriend left you the minute he found out you were pregnant. You have no job and no money. Your family has already told you that if you keep that baby, you will be disowned. Are you still pro-life? Do you still have that baby even if it means living on the street with it? Or do you get the abortion and keep your cozy lifestyle?
Pro lifers would try to force someone to have a baby, even if it meant the mother ended up on the street. Pro lifers care only about the fetus, not the mothers life, or feelings.
Originally posted by Sabrea
I don't believe pro-life people should push anyone else to feel the way they do. If you feel that way, you can practice your own beliefs, don't make others try to change theirs.
First off, I think pro lifers should be banned from coming within 100 feet of an abortion clinic. The last thing a woman needs is to be heckled by these monsters, and called a baby killer/murderer etc.
About the above quote, about "having to have experience with abortion to have an opinion", wouldn't that generally mean that no males could have an opinion on abortion? Ultimately, it's the mother's decision to abort the child. Males only experience in abortion would be the opinion he gives to his girlfriend/wife about whether she should keep the baby. And that's not a lot of experience, right?
Gee, I'm just full of these tonight.Are you pro-life, pro-choice, or pro-abortion?
i'm pro-choice.
About the above quote, about "having to have experience with abortion to have an opinion", wouldn't that generally mean that no males could have an opinion on abortion? Ultimately, it's the mother's decision to abort the child. Males only experience in abortion would be the opinion he gives to his girlfriend/wife about w?hether she should keep the baby. And that's not a lot of experience, right
males can have an opinion, but they have absolutely no idea what their talking about (no offense). or they do, but since they'll never have to go through a childbirth or an abortion, their opinions really shouldn't count in the long run. (IMO)