I see her strength is still ignorance as said in her sig ...
when you do an abortion it is NOT a baby, a baby is a human being that is outside the womb after the term we know as "birth"
it is also not killed, it is aborted. as in "the evolution of the bunch of cells into a human being" got aborted. NOT killed
Originally posted by yerssotur on JM's ignore list - she cant read it anyways. you're wasting your time yers
I see her strength is still ignorance as said in her sig ...when you do an abortion it is NOT a baby, a baby is a human being that is outside the womb after the term we know as "birth"
it is also not killed, it is aborted. as in "the evolution of the bunch of cells into a human being" got aborted. NOT killed
Afro_Cheese> Ah! The wonders of misunderstandings on the Internet.
I see what you mean now.
But it still doesn’t change my point. Yes, of course YOU (having been born and alive) would say that you prefer a shitty childhood to being aborted. But you cannot really argue this way, because it requires the ability of an embryo to be self-conscious and able to think “I want to live.” The brain is not developed at the time when abortions are usually carried out.
So if you’d been aborted you wouldn’t even worry about this – you wouldn’t have been. Do you see what I mean?
It is not the same as asking “Do you want to live or die now?”
That's exactly my point, the majority of abortions occur for no other reason then the parent's irresponsibility.”
Can you back this up by some links, some statistics? Because here in DK most abortions are NOT carried out due to ignorance.
In 2002 the number was 14,991, which was the lowest number of since abortions were legalised in DK in 1973. Last year that number rose to 15,567.
(Source: http://www.sst.dk/Nyheder/Seneste_nyheder/Aborter_2003.aspx?lang=da Sorry, it’s in Danish, it’s from the Danish Ministry of Health).
Silver Stardust> Well, that was what I wanted. Being added to her ignore list… Do not worry, I find it amusing. Some people are beyond arguments and debates, some are not… Their loss 🙂
Lil Bitchiness> “I cant even believe JM compared herself to The Omega at any level - its surreal.”
Okay, my ego just hit the ceiling 😄
I hope you understand that I was not really trying to make a point about who is and who is not important. Merely pointing out that just because ONE person finds something gross does not warrant the illegality of that ”something”, as one person is not THAT important…
Fever_Red> Yes, I agree with you. At some point the embryo passes to a foetus and late in the pregnancy the unborn child responds to stimuli. But abortions are almost NEVER carried out late in the pregnancy, but during the frist 12 weeks. This is legal in DK and many places in the world and should remain so.
Later on it requires danger to the woman or some unforseen complications and is not done solely if the woman wants to (One could also argue, that late in the pregnancy the woman had had ample time to decide whether she wants a child or not).
About the male pill… 😆 Great points!
Omega > well, it seems that being added to JM's ignore list has become a point of pride 🙂 I find it greatly amusing, too. Especially her thinking that I'm 10 years old...😂 I can honestly say I've never heard something so amusing!
Afro_Cheese > It's good that you're willing to do some more research and learn more about it.
Yerss > "and I am glad that this is just internet, I can at least close the window... but not the school" I fully agree ✅
Silver Stardust> I must say that you spell and argue remarkably well for a 10-year old 😄
Everyone> http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html
There's a lot of debate on the net. Unfortunately, much of it is of very low quality. The aim of this document is to explain the basics of logical reasoning, and hopefully improve the overall quality of debate.
Heh, yes, it's SHOCKING that the men in this thread aren't simply BUZZING with enthusiasm for this wonderful new advance in contraception. WHY, you'd think they would have all but converted this thread to Male pill this, and Male pill that, and, yay, Male Pill, finally we can put our futures on the line...no more distraction with discussing how women should deal with THEIR fertility.
Fever_red> Well, to be fair quite a lot of men in this thread think abortions should be legal, and deem it the woman’s choice. 😉
A few still seem to think they should decide what happens to women’s bodies, and I am SURE they’ll be thrilled at this new medical wonder… (not).
But if we look at contraceptions for men and women I must say the medical researchers have done more to invent stuff I am supposed to use (pills, more pills, spirals, foam, diaphragms(?)) as opposed to the one thing for men (condom). Considering that a woman has the eggs she has, and does not create new ones, and men constantly produce semen, it should be the other way around – looking at it from a health-persepctive.
I would, I see no problem in that. And Yes I am a male.
In that case SS would be a remarkable smart for a 10 year old and be quite suited for making JM look stupid.
I Don't even try and argue with JM anymore, its like trying to explain that the sky is blue to someone that has a blindfold on and won't take it off.
JM> No matter how many times you say "The Sky is green" It doesn't make it true.
(If you can't comprehend that, read the argument above it, and if you still don't get it well then, maybe you shouldn't be arguing with us because you obviously can't handle it.)
End rant.
FE> God murdered the first-borns in Egypt. Is that ok? Come ON! Take a stand, make a deci-sion. I know the answer is NOT in the Bible, but be brave! TRY…
That He did...and, you know, mocking people for their opinions is not the way to have an intelligent discussion.
I can see abortion as OK in the following instances:
1. If it is a choice between the mother living and the child living.
2. Rape/incest victims.
3. Errmmm, I swear I had a couple more "worst-case" scenarios that I supported, but I can't think of them right now.
Anyhow, an abortion, in my opinion, should not be allowed because some chick decided to sleep around.
Omega, your right, I can't argue abortion is wrong because a fetus would want to live. However I can argue when somebody says that women have abortions for the sake of the child because they can't afford a baby or other issues like that. Abortion is almost never better for the fetus, that is my main point. I'm not saying you can't think of a situation where it is better, I'm just saying most of the time it's not.
As for me saying most abortions occur because of the parent's irresponsibility... No, I have no statistics to back that up. I don't really have great resources since search engines like google freeze my computer now for some reason. But I would be willing to bet that you and I have different opinions on what exactly fits the criteria of "irresponsibility" in this case. I don't think that it is possible to prove that woman had abortions due to irresponsibility, it's just a matter of opinion, because responsibility is not an absolute.
Again, the issue here is whether or not the government has the right to enforce reproduction.
Should the government be involved in forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term? If so, why should the government not be involved in regulating other reproductive rights? Perhaps the government should enforce reproduction and regulate the number of children people are allowed to have as well?