Abortion

It is a human, it's a human fetus. It's not a completely developed human though. According to the definition, it is a baby.

fetus:

Noun
Inflected forms: pl.fe·tus·es 1. The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal. 2. In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.

baby:

Noun
Inflected forms: pl.ba·bies 1. a. A very young child; an infant. b. An unborn child; a fetus. c. The youngest member of a family or group. d. A very young animal. 2. An adult or young person who behaves in an infantile way. 3. Slang A girl or young woman. 4. Informal Sweetheart; dear. Used as a term of endearment. 5. Slang An object of personal concern or interest: Keeping the boat in good repair is your baby.
Adjective
Inflected forms: bab·i·er, bab·i·est 1. Of or having to do with a baby. 2. Infantile or childish. 3. Small in comparison with others of the same kind: baby vegetables.
Transitive verb
Inflected forms: ba·bied, ba·by·ing, ba·bies To pamper like a baby; coddle. See Synonyms at pamper.

Whether or not it is murder is the actually issue. I don't believe abortion to be murder, but then again I don't believe killing defenseless animals to be murder either, that doesn't mean I think it's a good thing to go around shooting animals.

AC> “Coincidental how our names are Alpha and Omega. Haha.”
YES, I noticed 🙂

And I know you’ve been saying the same as me for ages. I just thought I’d repeat it…

Afro_Cheese> Do you know how the Pill works?

Anyways: No one here is arguing that abortion should be used as contraception (this has been stated many many times by now). But that the option should be there, free and available, or those women who wish not to have a child yet.
And when abortion IS used as contraception it’s often in areas where Christian fundamentalism has barred sex-ed from the schools, preaches abstinence and generally treat sex as something evil.

“Well when it comes to the family not being able to support it, adoption is always an alternative.”

A pregnancy is NOT just a wave of a hand. The womans brain is flooded by chemicals that bonds her to the child, so ”just” giving up a baby fro adoption is NOT(!) as easy as many make it sound.
There are millions of starving, poor, uneducated kids in the 3rd world. ADOPT them!

“Well, everyone loves to use unfortunate women in bad positions like rape/abusive relationships as examples, but why not use the average pregnant woman who wants an abortion.”
These examples are used to try an convince fanatical anti-abortionists that there ARE cases, where abortion SHOULD be allowed.

” Maybe instead of relying on birth control people should not have sex if they aren't willing to deal with the final result.”
GET REAL! You cannot prevent people from having sex, anymore than you can prevent us from breating. There would be no adultery if it was that easy.

FE> No, you haven’t answered my questions. So there’s nothing for me to take. I’ll simply conclude that you CAN’T.
God murdered the first-borns in Egypt. Is that ok?

”yes, I believe in birth control pills.”
Oh, isn’t THAT interesting. I take it you don’t know HOW the pill works? It does NOT prevent conception, dear. It merely prevents the fertilised egg from being able to fasten itself to the uterus. So the next time the woman has her period, she’s aborting an embryo.

BF> 😆 Just to make a point, huh?

Adam_Poe> “Regardless of the reason a woman elects to have an abortion, should the government be involved in forcing women to remain pregnant if they do not want to be?”
Great point (as always). This has happened in history – when population was low due to illness, war or famine.
Society should NOT prevent me from getting a career and/or education if I happen to get pregnant and does not want to deal with the situation.

Jackie> "I don't really see how you guys think this is a normal thing when it grosses me out."
News-flash, dear. Just because something grosses YOU out, doesn’t make it wrong. You’re not that important.

Afro_Cheese> Do you know how the Pill works?

Yes Omega, the pill typically contains estrogen or progesterone, that inhibits ovulation and thereby prevents conception. It doesn't terminate an already existing pregnancy, it prevents one from happening.

Anyways: No one here is arguing that abortion should be used as contraception (this has been stated many many times by now). But that the option should be there, free and available, or those women who wish not to have a child yet.
And when abortion IS used as contraception it’s often in areas where Christian fundamentalism has barred sex-ed from the schools, preaches abstinence and generally treat sex as something evil.

I agree with you, we do need better sexual education. I wasn't saying anyone said it should be used as a contraception, you asked someone (Fiery eyes I think) if they were against the pill since they are against abortion, implying it is essentially the same thing.

A pregnancy is NOT just a wave of a hand. The womans brain is flooded by chemicals that bonds her to the child, so ”just” giving up a baby fro adoption is NOT(!) as easy as many make it sound.
There are millions of starving, poor, uneducated kids in the 3rd world. ADOPT them!

Hey, I understand abortion is not an easy thing, that's why I said I doubt a woman who has had one would argue like it's no big deal. That doesn't mean I think it's any better though. Maybe their conscious feels bad after having abortion for a reason. And I wasn't saying all kids are happy and healthy, especially in other countries, but I bet they'd prefer their life to never getting the chance to live at all. I can't say what a fetus would want, but that's what I would want for myself. I wasn't saying by any means that adoption solves everything, I was saying that it could easily solve many of the same problems women solve with abortion, the only difference being that with adoption the woman would actually have to give birth to her child.

The thing about not having sex was in fact an exaggeration, as I already said to someone else. It does sound preposterous, but if you think about it, it also sounds fair. Sex is not only for procreating, but if you are not ready for the responsibilities of parenthood then maybe you aren't ready for sex either, that's all I was saying.

"The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal. 2. In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo."

Until the 8th week it's not a considered a foetus or a baby. Before which, the abortion would have been carried out.

-AC

In that case you are not that inportant either!LOL!Sorry I had to say that!Anyway abortion is gross.Did you ever see those pictures of abortion doctors?
If you ever did then I would not say anything if I were you.They are sick.Yes to stop people from having abortions because of there selfish needs is inpossible.
But that does not mean that once it is againt the law that would be impossible for them to stil have abortions.Or not as offen.May I ask you a question.
You would not still be alive if your parents had decided to abort you.You would not exist.How does this make you feel upset sad?It should because it is a sad thing no matter how annoying you can be.
It is still sad.So are you happy that you were born?I bet you were.That answears your questions and mined!
JM Glad to have this talk with you!JM However it is the last one we wil be having!

I am glad I'm here, but what you fail to realize is that if I were aborted, I wouldn't care. I wouldn't even know I existed. So, it really doesn't matter how I feel right now.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal. 2. In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo."

Until the 8th week it's not a considered a foetus or a baby. Before which, the abortion would have been carried out.

-AC

Yeah you're right Alpha, my bad. It's not a baby, still a human though.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I am glad I'm here, but what you fail to realize is that if I were aborted, I wouldn't care. I wouldn't even know I existed. So, it really doesn't matter how I feel right now.

That is true, the person never knows the difference. That's a good thing, if it did abortion would probably be illegal. But I still don't like it when somebody never gets the chance to live because of somebody else's irresponsibility, whether they notice or not. I do not believe in heaven or hell, so to me life is the only chance you get.

Sure you would care.Yuo just don't think you care.I do not belive that you don't care if you were aborted and you were not alive right now.Again it is still a baby even if you guys think it is just a thing.
It will become a baby and to me that is still murder,JM

"Yeah you're right Alpha, my bad. It's not a baby, still a human though."

It isn't....not until 8 weeks in. At 8 weeks in it becomes a "human" technically. Which is why the abortion is done before hand.

"You would not still be alive if your parents had decided to abort you.You would not exist.How does this make you feel upset sad?It should because it is a sad thing no matter how annoying you can be."

I wouldn't know. To be honest, I've grown to like my parents quite a lot. They're ****ing great people and if me being here as a baby was going to damage, hinder or disrupt their lives to the point that they decided they didn't want or need that, I would gladly choose abortion if I had the option. Why? Because I'M not selfish. You claim women wanting abortions are selfish when you are the one who wants them to have it just coz it would make you feel better. Think before you type.

Oh and before you say I'm not important, bear in mind the fact that I am smarter than you, therefore more valuable. People like you, drones, sheep, cattle...you come dime a dozen. People like me, people like the posters on this board (regardless of their stance on this topic) that are intelligent and actually have things to say that are important, we are the ones that are important.

The simply horrifying truth, Jackie Malfoy, is that you don't matter.

-AC

Anyway abortion is gross.Did you ever see those pictures of abortion doctors?
If you ever did then I would not say anything if I were you.They are sick.Yes to stop people from having abortions because of there selfish needs is inpossible.

calling someone selfish for having an abortion is a bit over the top, how would you know what they are like?

I do not belive that you don't care if you were aborted and you were not alive right now

i'm sorry, what? how can u care if you don't exist?

Omega: Yes, I know what birth control pills do, I also know that they do NOT kill an existing life, they prevent it from ever happening, there's a difference there.
I have answered you, you can scan back at my answers.

Finti: When a plant is a plant, then it is a plant? lol right? That is what I said, a plant is a plant and will always be a plant. anyways hehe

fe, what bout the morning after pill?

Originally posted by ToMacco
I believe it is a woman's choice. Yet I don't frown upon those who say it is murder.

the abortion pill?

if u want to call it that fe, then go ahead...

Actually Alpha, are you positive that abortions are always performed within the first 8 weeks? I'm not sure the exact time limit actually but according to encyclopedia.com abortions are legal within the first six months of pregnancy. If I am mistaken, please correct me. Also if I'm wrong could you give me the source for you information please? If you want to see where it says first 6 months:

"Attitudes toward abortion became more liberal in the 20th cent. By the 1970s, abortion had been legalized in most European countries and Japan; in the United States, under a 1973 Supreme Court ruling (see Roe v. Wade ), abortions are permitted during the first six months of pregnancy. Abortion remains a controversial issue in the United States, however, and in 1977 Congress barred the use of Medicaid funds for abortion except for therapeutic reasons and in certain other specified instances. Several state legislatures passed restrictive abortion laws in hope that the Supreme Court would overturn Roe v. Wade, but in 1992 the court reaffirmed the basic principles of the 1973 decision."

http://encyclopedia.com/html/section/abortion_historyofabortion.asp

Also, I would have to say that even an embryo that is not yet of 8 weeks is a human even though it is not a fetus, because the embryo still has the genetic makeup of a human.

The point of my post was about the foetus itself.

"Also, I would have to say that even an embryo that is not yet of 8 weeks is a human even though it is not a fetus, because the embryo still has the genetic makeup of a human."

Genetic makeup is now equal to being a human, you don't have to be one? Just have the ingredients?

That's like saying a bag of sugar is a cake just because it could become part of one.

-AC

Originally posted by pr1983
if u want to call it that fe, then go ahead...

🙂 I was not being sarcastic saying that, i wasn't for sure what you were talking about, there's birth control bills and abortion pills.

It's not a fully developed human, but I would have to say it is a human. If not, then what species would you consider it to be? Since it is composed of human cells, though not yet developed, it seems to me that is a human.

As for the cake analogy, you actually can tell exactly what species the embryo is just by it's DNA, it's not just "could become part of a human," it's "will grow into a fully developed human if left uninterrupted."