Abortion

Originally posted by Bardock42
If the fetus had an opinion it should not be aborted unless it wants that.

This line of thought runs parallel to your environmentally "friendly" perspective. You should at least be given credit for continuity and consistency.

This thread seems very circular!

Originally posted by dadudemon
This line of thought runs parallel to your environmentally "friendly" perspective. You should at least be given credit for continuity and consistency.

Bible infavour of abortion.

"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God, they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open."

-- Hosea 13

I don't think its in favor of abortion...I think its in favor of God being allowed to end any life when he pleases. That passage does not even talk about abortion, it talks about God's wrath.

"and their pregnant women ripped open." sounds like an abortion to me.

Originally posted by lord xyz
"and their pregnant women ripped open." sounds like an abortion to me.

No, its God doing it.

Doesn't sound like it contravenes Thou Shalt Not Kill to me.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
No, its God doing it.

I don't see how God ripping open a pregnant women is any less lethal to the fetus and anything else.

i think the women and the guy should have the only word if they keep it or not, i mean theres too many people now as is. Also what if the women is a crackhead or something the baby is already starting off bad.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
No, its God doing it.

Doesn't sound like it contravenes Thou Shalt Not Kill to me.

Mainly I support abortion under two conditions.

1)Health of the mother.
2)Where a sexual assault has occurred.

I depends on the situation. Eg If someone is raped then they should be allowed to abort imo.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Just to throw this in, hypothetically of course, what if the baby had an opinion.

there are thousands of other situations where this logic fails

one never asks a baby where they want to go, nor do they ask them what they want to eat, or if they want to go to bed.

hence the reason why children need parents

People are so quick to try and attribute all of these rights and things to fetuses, yet, if applied to 1 year olds, would break down the entire institution of parenting.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I depends on the situation. Eg If someone is raped then they should be allowed to abort imo.

The "If they were raped" things, must be one of the most ridiculous things that anyone has ever come up with.

Personally I don't believe that a fetus is an equal sentient, self conscious human being...in fact, for most of the pregnancy I'd class it quite below any animal, and we are legally allowed to kill those, so I don't see a problem.

The thing is I mostly oppose abortion and yet I agree with Bardock42 that a fetus is not an "equal sentient" as he put it. I just think that in most cases except the two I listed, they should be allowed to grow into one.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't see how God ripping open a pregnant women is any less lethal to the fetus and anything else.

It doesn't give a human the right to do it. As you see he is also killing people, noone is saying that biblical passage supports murder.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The "If they were raped" things, must be one of the most ridiculous things that anyone has ever come up with.

Personally I don't believe that a fetus is an equal sentient, self conscious human being...in fact, for most of the pregnancy I'd class it quite below any animal, and we are legally allowed to kill those, so I don't see a problem.

Yet...then again neither is someone with serious mental defects...however, both are human.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav

Yet...then again neither is someone with serious mental defects...however, both are human.

I believe someone with such a series mental defect that they aren't sentient, independent and self conscious at all, may as well be euthanised.

Not the most popular stance, but still.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The "If they were raped" things, must be one of the most ridiculous things that anyone has ever come up with.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I don’t see that as being that dumb, some people couldn’t get over that the child that they looked at every day was the product of violence and not love and the day to day reminder of that day. Some children have issues knowing that they were a product of rape and if someone knew that this is something that they more than likely would never over come then I don’t see the issue with it.

Yes, but it is a very extreme case and doesn't even represent a sizable proportion of abortions.
A nice pro-choice poster I found.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I don’t see that as being that dumb, some people couldn’t get over that the child that they looked at every day was the product of violence and not love and the day to day reminder of that day. Some children have issues knowing that they were a product of rape and if someone knew that this is something that they more than likely would never over come then I don’t see the issue with it.

Well, but as Doug Stanhope says, saying that abortion is only okay in case of rape, is like saying that, yes, the fetus does have the right to live and that it is a human being with rights....except if the father was an *******.

It just makes little to no sense.