Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Funny thing, all the people who say that a totally selfish ego-maniacs.
...complains the psychopath.
Really, though, this attitude that you have to limit your happiness as much as you can, and you should always put others first, is a very stupid one. I suppose the theory is that that way t would inprove everyone's life, but that's obviously nonsense (just like xyz's no money cult) as it would just end with everyone living shittier.
Originally posted by NactousIf you can't take care of yourself, how are you supposed to take care of someone else?
Fighting with someone you may frequently have sex with doesn't make you disciplined, but anyway, back on topic."You get one life, one. One ever. In all eternity.
Give me ONE good reason why "Have it your way." isn't a good outlook"Not only is that the biggest load of bullshit 'philosophy' I've ever heard it might even stand as one of the worst outlooks as well. Yeah sure, you'll live life life like you want to but it'll be an unpopular,short one....
Case in point: My mother-in-law puts EVERYONE before her and she has such a screwed up life. She can't take care of her bills because she gives all of here money away to everyone else, takes in trouble people all the time and gets screwed over all the time and I can keep going on. You must first love yourself and take care of your self first before you can help someone else.
Originally posted by Nactous
How am I afraid when my answer depends on your answer? Your holding us up AC........
Because I already know your answer, and it's so incredibly stupid that you're scared to say it.
"It leads to a short life because...if you're not afraid to try new things, you're gonna try something that will kill you.".
It's a stupid argument and you're stupid for thinking it.
-AC
Originally posted by Da Pittman
If you can't take care of yourself, how are you supposed to take care of someone else?Case in point: My mother-in-law puts EVERYONE before her and she has such a screwed up life. She can't take care of her bills because she gives all of here money away to everyone else, takes in trouble people all the time and gets screwed over all the time and I can keep going on. You must first love yourself and take care of your self first before you can help someone else.
Aye, but there is a difference in taking care of yourself and living for yourself. It is true that giving out aid to every sob story will in the end, not only ruin you finacially, but also open the doors to people who are more than willing to con you out of your money. (which is part of the reason that America's economy is in the dump right now. Those bad loans. tsk tsk.)
Taking care of yourself inteals that you live a comfortable life, but being willing to help when needed. Living for yourself intails that (1) you indulge in things you don't need, and (2) you don't really care about others, with the possible exception of those very close to you...
Originally posted by THE JLRTENJACThat is how you think it means, it doesn't mean that you are selfish but that you live for yourself. Either term can mean the same thing and can be used either way. You could say that you are taking care of yourself and screw everyone else.
Aye, but there is a difference in taking care of yourself and living for yourself. It is true that giving out aid to every sob story will in the end, not only ruin you finacially, but also open the doors to people who are more than willing to con you out of your money. (which is part of the reason that America's economy is in the dump right now. Those bad loans. tsk tsk.)Taking care of yourself inteals that you live a comfortable life, but being willing to help when needed. Living for yourself intails that (1) you indulge in things you don't need, and (2) you don't really care about others, with the possible exception of those very close to you...
I'm just gonna call you Tenjac because your name is too bs to keep remembering.
Tenjac, you didn't answer my question:
Are you on the adoption list?
Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
Taking care of yourself inteals that you live a comfortable life, but being willing to help when needed. Living for yourself intails that (1) you indulge in things you don't need, and (2) you don't really care about others, with the possible exception of those very close to you...
It's not a matter of "need", it's a matter of want. Human desire is not a crime or something to be treated with such negativity, and oh I know, you're only preaching about CONTROL of desire. However, this is a problem, as you seem to have a level of joy in your life equal to that of an impotent Republican working as Barack Obama's fluffer, and as such, seek to ruin or tone down life for everybody else. On topic, your stance on abortion is ignorant and fantastical, it has no place in judging abortion and thankfully, your opinion of abortion (As incorrect as it is, factually) will never see the day when it's respected enough to be put into action
As far as that load of rubbish about things we don't need goes; you are telling me you live with only things that you NEED, not want?
I swear to god I just had a debate with you about Halo Vs Gears of War, didn't I? That presents us with a situation so interesting that if it were a able to be condensed into a pill, A.D.D. would essentially be curable. Let me explain:
Unless you have a mystifying disease known as consoleitosis, with symptoms including ill health due to lack of superficial, digital entertainment, I'm going step out onto the damning ledge of uncertainty and say that you do not need a games console, but you are in possession of one. I'm going to assume you paid for it, and will continue to pay for it with your own money. On top of that, I'm pretty sure you're sitting there posting on a computer that you don't NEED.
If this is the case, then you should probably throw the argument of Need Vs Want out of the window.
I don't care about anyone besides those close to me or those I like. There's no reason for me to "care" about a random human being any more than a random cat. I don't know YOU, Tenjac, so therefore I do not care about you. You are just a human to me.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because I already know your answer, and it's so incredibly stupid that you're scared to say it."It leads to a short life because...if you're not afraid to try new things, you're gonna try something that will kill you.".
It's a stupid argument and you're stupid for thinking it.
-AC
Originally posted by Nactous
Do you or do you not think that someone who lives for themselves are less likely to worry about their consequences affecting others around them?
Some are, some aren't, everyone's different.
There's more than one answer to that. Not everybody is the same.
"Living for yourself" means different things to different people, so there isn't any one answer. Instead of firing off loaded and ambigious questions as Pittman said, you should work on answering the one I gave you, and still haven't.
Why is living for yourself going to lead to a short life? I've answered two of your questions and not got an answer out of you.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't care about anyone besides those close to me or those I like. There's no reason for me to "care" about a random human being any more than a random cat.
That's poorly thought out. If you don't know anything about the person you have no idea what sort of threat or benefit, helping or refusing the help them would result in. On the other hand there's nothing the cat can do to you.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's poorly thought out. If you don't know anything about the person you have no idea what sort of threat or benefit, helping or refusing the help them would result in. On the other hand there's nothing the cat can do to you.
That's not caring about a person, is it? That's caring about yourself and what they can do for, or to you.
I'm saying I don't have this mythical value of people I don't know or will never know. I care about those who are worth caring about, anyone else might as well be a tree, to me, or a wall.
-AC
If it's like, an elderly woman struggling with her shopping or a door, or whatever.
Things like that I consider manners, not necessarily caring about someone as a person. I hold doors open for women, or people in general if there's someone walking behind me.
I differentiate between manners and what you are saying. I'd never lend a stranger money or my cell, unless it was to call an ambulance or what not.
These are all cases of manners. I'd not help someone if they were being mugged, for example. Save for maybe call the cops, because it's not worth me possibly getting killed. Sorry, but it's not.
You're talking about general decency and manners, I'm talking about being sad when someone random dies, giving a shit about people in that sense. I don't.
Obviously if someone says "Can you call an ambulance, my friend is dying?", I'm not gonna say "Nah.", but that's not because I care for them as people. It's just common manners.
I don't consider manners to be going out of my way. I won't go out of my way for anyone I don't particularly care for.
-AC