Some level of compassion is necessary to remain a part of society: a functioning, contributing citizen has certain duties that must be fulfilled in order for them to remain part of that group. Manners and etiquette fall into this group. A certain amount of compassion does as well. Once we get into the realm of giving away life's savings and letting strangers into one's home we have left the realm of necessary contributions and entered hysteria. While charitable giving is important, it should never place the giver's life or lifestyle in danger.
The biggest problem I have had with this discussion is the idea that "what I want" will automatically be a negative thing. Why are my natural inclinations assumed to be antisocial? Isn't it possible that "what I want" will lead to good choices not only for me but for society as a whole? Am I weird for not wanting to rob a bank? Is the default human condition one of limitless villainy? [/increasingly hysterical rant]
Originally posted by jaden101
yeah probably not the best idea to step in in those situations in London...where i'm from i dont think twice about stepping in because gun crime is virtually non existant...knife crime isn't a huge problem...and i'm 6ft 3 and 20st and worked pub and nightclub doors for 4 years
I've seen your portrait, if I were a mugger, I'd think twice in not running away if you tried to stop me and my mugging ways.
Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
Unfortunately, I am going to have to disregard this as it comes from a site that is completely slanted towards it's own agendas, however I do realize that my admitting this means that you will completely disregard any christian sources that I would have.This simply means that I will have to refine my methodology, and not use as biased of sources.
However this does not change a single view of mine.
This is because your belief does not follow from evidence. Rather, you choose evidence that is consistent with your belief.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I just find these stories to be dumb."He died a hero after interrupting a mugging.".
Well, now he has left grieving family members, friends and is dead himself. He could have just left and everyone probably would have remained alive.
-AC
Unless he interrupted the mugging became a hero and then died years later, still a hero, of completely natural causes.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosBut that could very well fit in a rational calculation of the options.
Unless he interrupted the mugging became a hero and then died years later, still a hero, of completely natural causes.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And nobody got hurt . . .
That's our story and we stick with it.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I wouldn't "stand by".I just wouldn't help.
-AC
You are telling me, that you would walk up on a mugging... and just not help, without any remorse, knowing that the man was either (A) beaten senseless and robbed or (B) killed and robbed... and you had the chance to try and stop it... but didn't.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That's because you apparently have respect for your fellow man. That, or you are a vigilante.
No, vigilantees go looking for that stuff, However, if I walked up on someone getting mugged... I could not, in good concience, just not help.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I just find these stories to be dumb."He died a hero after interrupting a mugging.".
Well, now he has left grieving family members, friends and is dead himself. He could have just left and everyone probably would have remained alive.
-AC
Except maybe the person who was getting mugged.
Furthermore, he would also leave a source of pride for the family. The fact that he died doing the right thing, and not letting fear for himself get in the way of what needed to be done. Their son, uncle, father... whatever: A Hero. A source of great pride for the entire family.
Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
You are telling me, that you would walk up on a mugging... and just not help, without any remorse, knowing that the man was either (A) beaten senseless and robbed or (B) killed and robbed... and you had the chance to try and stop it... but didn't.
imho most muggings don't involve beating or killing... maybe a whack in the nose or something...
you realize that "helping" a mugging is actually escalating the situation, and likely makes it more dangerous for the person being mugged?
Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
Furthermore, he would also leave a source of pride for the family. The fact that he died doing the right thing, and not letting fear for himself get in the way of what needed to be done. Their son, uncle, father... whatever: A Hero. A source of great pride for the entire family.
You're being overly dramatic and romanticising the situation. Most muggings don't end up with the victim dead or even severely hurt. The mugger wants something of value and they generally use fear/intimidation to get it quickly and be on their way.
If you saw a knife-wielding mugger taking the purse of a woman and jumped in, there's a great chance that either you or possibly the victim would end up getting stabbed. Now, are the contents of a purse really worth a knife wound and the chance (even slight) of death? Don't you think your family would rather have you alive than be a dead hero?
In that scenario above, it would be best to yell at the mugger from a distance, that the police are coming (or similar) so he flees with the purse and no one is injured.
Edit: There are rare exceptions of course, you could very well walk into a mugging where the mugger is practically beating the victim to death, then you'd have to quickly weight your options of seeking helping or jumping in.
Originally posted by inimalistWell, what if it's a rape? Or a situation where one man is trying to kill another? What then? Where does the situation get so bad that we intervene?
imho most muggings don't involve beating or killing... maybe a whack in the nose or something...you realize that "helping" a mugging is actually escalating the situation, and likely makes it more dangerous for the person being mugged?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, what if it's a rape? Or a situation where one man is trying to kill another? What then? Where does the situation get so bad that we intervene?
It's on a scenario per scenario basis.
If I saw a woman getting raped in the back of a car, I'd jump in to help, for better or worse. If she was being raped by 5+ guys, me jumping in to help wouldn't really help her much, as I'd most likely get attacked and beaten in return, thereby, not really helping her. I'd be smarter to call the police and yell from a distance, in that scenario.
Originally posted by RobtardYeah I guess.
It's on a scenario per scenario basis.If I saw a woman getting raped in the back of a car, I'd jump in to help, for better or worse. If she was being raped by 5+ guys, me jumping in to help wouldn't really help her much, as I'd most likely get attacked and beaten in return, thereby, not really helping her. I'd be smarter to call the police and yell from a distance, in that scenario.
I just dont get the whole "**** them I aint risking my neck for anyone" mindset. Pretty chicken shit IMO.