Abortion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If it's like, an elderly woman struggling with her shopping or a door, or whatever.

Things like that I consider manners, not necessarily caring about someone as a person. I hold doors open for women, or people in general if there's someone walking behind me.

I differentiate between manners and what you are saying. I'd never lend a stranger money or my cell, unless it was to call an ambulance or what not.

These are all cases of manners. I'd not help someone if they were being mugged, for example. Save for maybe call the cops, because it's not worth me possibly getting killed. Sorry, but it's not.

You're talking about general decency and manners, I'm talking about being sad when someone random dies, giving a shit about people in that sense. I don't.

Obviously if someone says "Can you call an ambulance, my friend is dying?", I'm not gonna say "Nah.", but that's not because I care for them as people. It's just common manners.

I don't consider manners to be going out of my way. I won't go out of my way for anyone I don't particularly care for.

-AC

While I do share your "being sad when someone random dies" sentiment, as I didn't show faux compassion when Heath Ledger died and the like.

But those"manners" can at times transcend into caring; I'm not talking about holding the door or giving the old lady a shoulder to lean on. Calling an ambulance for someone in need is in the realm of compassion. Face it, you're not as obtuse as you want to be, you have a heart, Tinman.

Originally posted by Dark Exile
When it comes to abortion shouldn't it be the woman's choice, its her body after all?

It is, generally.

And how many of you are women?

Originally posted by Dark Exile
And how many of you are women?

52.878564% are in this thread.

Though, males do have one X chromosome.

I'm just curious why so many of us dudes are concerned about something were barely apart of?

It should be "the woman's" choice, not women's choice.

Opps.

Originally posted by Dark Exile
Opps.

Gotcha.

Originally posted by Robtard
While I do share your "being sad when someone random dies" sentiment, as I didn't show faux compassion when Heath Ledger died and the like.

But those"manners" can at times transcend into caring; I'm not talking about holding the door or giving the old lady a shoulder to lean on. Calling an ambulance for someone in need is in the realm of compassion. Face it, you're not as obtuse as you want to be, you have a heart, Tinman.

It's not compassion is it? It's just helping someone out in an extreme situation. Whether or not I care is irrelevant, because to me, a cellphone call is nothing. If me calling for an ambulance, such a nothing gesture, saves a life, then cool.

It's just general manners, it's not going out of my way. I have my cell phone, you have an emergency but no cellphone, and you've asked me to take five minutes just to call for help.

It's not a big deal. I'd continue about my day not really bothered about how it ended up, because shit happens.

I don't "want" to be anything, including obtuse. I know you hold this idea that I try to be some callous iceman, but I don't. I am an immensely compassionate and caring person toward specific folks.

-AC

What do you find to be more important then, the Life you live, or the Life you leave?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not compassion is it? It's just helping someone out in an extreme situation. Whether or not I care is irrelevant, because to me, a cellphone call is nothing. If me calling for an ambulance, such a nothing gesture, saves a life, then cool.

It's just general manners, it's not going out of my way. I have my cell phone, you have an emergency but no cellphone, and you've asked me to take five minutes just to call for help.

It's not a big deal. I'd continue about my day not really bothered about how it ended up, because shit happens.

I don't "want" to be anything, including obtuse. I know you hold this idea that I try to be some callous iceman, but I don't. I am an immensely compassionate and caring person toward specific folks.

-AC

Helping someone for the sake of helping them is compassion, as you could very well not help them, if you didn't care on some level for their safety/life. Granted, you wouldn't check the hospital records the next day to see if they lived, as I wouldn't either, but caring on some level was/is had.

No, I don't think you wake up in the morning and say to yourself "I'm not going to give a shit", that's just silly.

Originally posted by Dark Exile
What do you find to be more important then, the Life you live, or the Life you leave?

Loaded question sir, the life you live would echo as the live you left.

Only if the echo is worth hearing wouldn't you say.

Originally posted by Dark Exile
Only if the echo is worth hearing wouldn't you say.

And that would lead back to the 'life you live'.

Originally posted by Robtard
Helping someone for the sake of helping them is compassion, as you could very well not help them, if you didn't care on some level for their safety/life. Granted, you wouldn't check the hospital records the next day to see if they lived, as I wouldn't either, but caring on some level was/is had.

No, I don't think you wake up in the morning and say to yourself "I'm not going to give a shit", that's just silly.

I don't wake up and make myself not care, I just don't care naturally.

Besides, going so far as to not help in a situation where a life is immediately at stake and someone is asking you to call for help, that'd actually be stepping out of being neutral and into being a bit of a shit, which isn't ever the point.

I don't care about people, I'd not go out of my way to cause harm either though.

-AC

i agree...i don't believe the hysteria that comes with celebrities dieing is neccessary...Princess Diana being the best example...thousands of people crying in the streets...people who'd never known or met her...totally stupid and something i'd never understand

i do find it a bit shit when someone dies who contributes something to my life...for example, musicians who's work i listen to...i remember thinking it was a bit shit when layne staley died becausei knew i'd never hear any new stuff

but as for all the hysteria that surrounds things such as murder victims and the likes...can't say i care or want to.

i have enough of a hard time caring about the people i actually know than someone i've never met

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'd not help someone if they were being mugged, for example. Save for maybe call the cops, because it's not worth me possibly getting killed.

And that's where you and I are different. I don't think I could just stand by and let someone get mugged.

Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
And that's where you and I are different. I don't think I could just stand by and let someone get mugged.

I wouldn't "stand by".

I just wouldn't help.

-AC

yeah probably not the best idea to step in in those situations in London...where i'm from i dont think twice about stepping in because gun crime is virtually non existant...knife crime isn't a huge problem...and i'm 6ft 3 and 20st and worked pub and nightclub doors for 4 years