Originally posted by JToThePi understand it fully. from the very begging.
There is no "elite" list, it's just our way of being happy to be on JM's ignore list, so they call it 'elite' since she can't see our posts anymore, I'm trying to work my way there slowly to.
i'm just sorry, that you (and everyone) have so low idea of me.
Originally posted by The Omega
Capt> 1: God has murdered infants and unborn babies. Thus it’s hypocracy.2: There are millions of starving, poor and uneducated kids in the 3rd world. Adopt them and stop taking rights from women.
3: Good idea.
4: Cynical, but also correct.
So, are you agreeing with me? I was simply summarizing the different arguments. I also said that I agree with perspective 3, but really believed in perspective 4.
Just so we're clear, I'm not denying any woman any rights.
Perhaps if I continually post this, others can avoid reiterating the same tired arguments:
kill v. To terminate life.
mur·der n. The unjust or unwarranted termination life.
Killing is not wrong. In fact, it is often essential to terminate the lives of some things in order to sustain the lives of others. This is true of harvesting crops, butchering livestock, and even terminating a pregnancy when it threatens the health of the mother.
No one is arguing that a fetus is non-living. However, just because cellular life is present, it does not follow from that a fetus is a life. See my previous post on the matter:
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
To determine when life begins, let us consider when life ends. Clinical death is the complete and irreversible cessation of hearbeat and brain activity but it is not the end of the life cycle. Long after clinical death occurs, cells divide and hair and nails continue to grow. Eventhough cellular life is present, the person is clearly not living. This standard is also used to determine when life begins. For if life exists when cellular life is present, then the clinically dead would also be considered alive.
Furthermore, no one is arguing that a fetus is not human. Anything containing human DNA is human. This includes everything from fetuses to fingernail clippings.
Regarding the issue of choice, is it morally incumbent on a woman to accede to a forced pregnancy? Should the government be involved in forcing women to remain pregnant? I refer you to the argument I presented earlier that every pro-life person in this thread has failed to address:
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I propose, then, that we grant that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. How does the argument go from here? Something like this, I take it. Every person has a right to life. So the fetus has a right to life. No doubt the mother has a right to decide what shall happen in and to her body; everyone would grant that. But surely a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than the mother's right to decide what happens in and to her body, and so outweighs it. So the fetus may not be killed; an abortion may not be performed.It sounds plausible. But now let me ask you to imagine this. You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. The director of the hospital now tells you, "Look, we're sorry the Society of Music Lovers did this to you—we would never have permitted it if we had known. But still, they did it, and the violinist now is plugged into you. To unplug you would be to kill him. But never mind, it's only for nine months. By then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.
Is it morally incumbent on you to accede to this situation? No doubt it would be very nice of you if you did, a great kindness. But do you have to accede to it? What if it were not nine months, but nine years? Or longer still? What if the director of the hospital says, "Tough luck, I agree, but you've now got to stay in bed, with the violinist plugged into you, for the rest of your life. Because remember this. All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot ever be unplugged from him." I imagine you would regard this as outrageous, which suggests that something really is wrong with that plausible-sounding argument I mentioned a moment ago.
Originally posted by Clovie
i understand it fully. from the very begging.i'm just sorry, that you (and everyone) have so low idea of me.
Well I wasn't to sure, Jackie's excuse for english is totally f*cked.
I've said it hundreds of times Clovie, I myself don't have low accuizations about you. I can't speak for anyone else, but your fine in my book.
If you've posted that before, I suggest you stop posting it now. It isn't relevant to discussing abortion, it's just a talk of killing and murder, which yes murder may be abortion, but as I say numerous times. If the next "Hitler" rapes a girl, if that demon seed is born, all of the world would be f*cked completely, and it would be safer to abort it.
Originally posted by The Omega
2: There are millions of starving, poor and uneducated kids in the 3rd world. Adopt them and stop taking rights from women.
And, from the point of view of a perspective 1 person, these are terrorist babies, which were created by Satan, Hitler and Osama Bin Laden to bring fire from the sky. If god had created them, they would have been born here in America, where Jesus' love could watch out for them and you wouldn't have to pay shipping.
Originally posted by The Omega
Silver Stardust> AY. Oh, well… we tried 😉Capt> Yes, I agree with you. I just HAD to keep on arguing… What else is there to do here 🙂
Adam_Poe> Good idea. Just post it from time to time!
Okay, I was just making sure. Adam and I should have you over for dinner sometime....
Originally posted by Clovie
but that's truth. 😬 i really have problems with understanding. i never know if something was mistyped, or is a word i just don't know.
Most likely it's "Jackie English" which means almost 100% of words are completely screwed up through the typing process, and I'm sure spelling process as well.
Originally posted by Clovie
but that's truth. 😬 i really have problems with understanding. i never know if something was mistyped, or is a word i just don't know.
Considering that she consistently misspells the same words over and over, in the same way, I am voting for "-She has a profound learning disability and doesn't realize that she is evil." I also enjoy that she changes her location field all the time. Because, let me tell you, I've stayed up late at night wondering if she was okay. So, she's a considerate moron at the very least.