Abortion

Well women don't use abortion as a form of contraceptive. Abortion is used as a last resort. Meaning, they don't do it unless they have no other choice. No contraceptive is 100% effective. What should happen is that they invent a male contraceptive which i don't think will happen anytime soon, or they place a limit on how long the woman has been pregnant for before she gets an abortion. Aborting a foetus at 5 months is wrong, I get that. The brain and face are pretty much fully developed by that stage. If the foetus is at 1 month or whatever, why not? It's a ball of cells with no thoughts or emotions. Every argument in this thread has been repeated over and over again so after this post I'm not going to bother.

in my eyes its not a baby, so ergo its not killing.

hmmm dosent the 5th amendment to the constitution of the USA offer freedom of life?

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Just wondering then if it is not killing then what pray tell is it?You are stoping a baby from living so how is that not killing?JM

Yes, you're stopping a baby from living. When a child is in the womb it's not capable of concious thought as far as we know. It hasn't been proven whether foetuses can think while still in the womb. Killing a ball of cells without concious thought can't be classified as murder. A leaf is made of cells without thought. Therefore killing a leaf isn't murder either.

Then in your eyes what is it?If it is not a baby?It is a baby even through it does not look like one yet.So yes you are in fact killing(aborting)a baby.JM

It's a foetus! Only when the foetus has been given birth to is it classified as a baby.

Then in your eyes what is it?If it is not a baby?It is a baby even through it does not look like one yet.So yes you are in fact killing(aborting)a baby.JM

its not a baby, its a foetus, theres a difference.

Thankyou!

And what I ask is the differnce?As far I know it is a living thing.And killing a living thing is murder.JM

And what I ask is the differnce?As far I know it is a living thing.And killing a living thing is murder.JM

a plant is a living thing, a cow is a living thing...

That's my point! If you applied that rule to ALL life, not just intelligent life, we wouldn't be anywhere. If we stepped on grass we would kill it.

Killing a living thing that has a concious enough mind to resist is murder.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
And what I ask is the differnce?As far I know it is a living thing.And killing a living thing is murder.JM

You'll probably not see this post but whatever.

The difference is this -- when a woman has an abortion, she isn't killing the fetus. What she is doing is preventing the fetus from being born and living. A fetus isn't considered alive until a certain point in the pregnancy, as has been covered in this thread already. Before this point, it is nothing but a ball of cells, and isn't alive. So it's not a matter of ending a life, but instead preventing a life from being born.

it all depends on the situation... like say the mother is just a child herself and she wont be responsible enough to take care of it, or the mother cant afford the things a child needs, or the mother has used drugs or alcohol while being pregnant. thats when i think it is ok to consider abortion. because is it really fair to bring a baby into a world living a life like that?

I'm re-posting this since it was completely ignored about five pages back:

The tragic aspect of death does not lie in some general notion of "the end of life." The tragedy of death is that a sentient mind no longer has the ability to experience its consciousness. A fetus and its predecessors do not have a conscious mind, and true sentience will not begin in any time period when these clusters of cells are being aborted.

The right to life comes from our right, as sentient beings, to exercise our free thought and self-awareness. Abortion does not impede this right.

The word "life" is meaningless in the way that pro-lifers here are using it. If you say "ending a life is murder and that should be illegal," then you are referring to the loss of any life, which includes that of a blade of grass. Do you want to make it illegal for people to step on the grass? Do you want to put people in jail for rolling over in bed and squishing dust-mites?

The fundamental reason why it is sad that my grandmother is dead is not "because she was a form of life." It is because she no longer has the ability to have emotions, to express herself, and to use her sentient mind. A fetus cannot do any of these things, ergo abortion does not deprive anyone of these rights.

When abortion takes place, there is no tragedy for the fetus. The tragedy lies in the situation that the woman was put into which caused her to have an abortion. Pro-lifers would be doing a much greater service to society if they would spend their efforts on actually helping these women, instead of telling them what they can and can't do with their bodies.

wasn't ignored surgent, i loved it actually.

Exactly the point i was trying to make, Surgie Wurgie 😄

Adam Poe: wayyyyy back on page 66 i think lol, I've not been able to get on this week much, but anyways .....here's a response to your post about, preventing and terminating, to me there is a diff. Preventing: you never get pregnant. Terminating: you are pregnant, life has began living in you.

Why would a Foetus not be a human? They grow up you know.

No one has said that they're not human.

It's forbidden by the law to kill humans.