Originally posted by Robtard
Can other encyclopedias be edited by anyone?
afaik Wiki can no longer be
however, the relevance of that point is moot considering the data is still as accurate as the data coming from what you may refer to as "experts".
So, to answer, no, but I don't see the relevance of that in light of the studies into the accuracy of Wiki content
Originally posted by leonheartmm
why you lil !!!!!{continues to strangulate dadudemon like he was bart!!!
😆
Originally posted by leonheartmm
dadudemon, i heard you the first time
No you didn't. 😉
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and also read your links when you posted them.
No you didn't. You looked at the words, but you didn't read them. 😐
Originally posted by leonheartmm
they are oversimplifying the phenomenon,
They are most certainly simplifying it. Over simplifying? Not a chance, bub.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it depends largely on the YIELD of the weapon,
No it doesn't.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the way shockwaves form in relationship to fireball has to do with type of detonation{air burst/ground/subterranean}
No it doesn't.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the yiedl, the terrain/cloud cover etc. in smaller detonations,
LOL! You really have no clue what you're talking about.
Dude, you can't just make up stuff and try to pass it off as fact. It may work on others, but it doesn't work on me, for the most part. (lols)
Here's some actual fact for you:
Speed of sound is affected by the density of the medium it travels through.
I have a test for you:
Why does the shock-wave travel faster inside the fireball and then slow to the speed of sound when it exits? Do you know? (I do. 🙂 )
Originally posted by leonheartmm
what you say holds true, generally, however, when your talking roughly 5 megaton or above, it definately NOT true,
You don't know what you're talking about. 😐
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the time frame that the shock-wave remains supersonic is MUCH larger
Wait, now you're saying supersonic? lol. Change your mind? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by leonheartmm
go ahead, look at any video of the tsar bomba or even the mercury test, in the former, around 6 major DISTINCT shockwaves formed and remained super sonic for a significant amount of time,
You were wrong, are wrong, and continue to be wrong. No matter how you try to justify it, back track to make yourself seem right in your mind, it won't work, son.
You were wrong. 😄
I proved it.
Cope with it.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
until the energy density on the shocksphere decreased enough for them to turn into soundwaves. or do you honestly beleive that despite energy density being above the threshold of the wavefront to contain, that the shock-wave with retain an information wavefront and travel and the resonant speed of the medium???????? i think you are very very very VERY wrong here and you just dont want to admit it. attacking me for not understanding isnt helping your argument.
OMG! LIKE! YOU'VE TOTALLY CONVINCED ME!
Wait, you didn't.
Here's what you said:
Originally posted by leonheartmm
...as for nukes, ur wrong, they only SEEM to expand slowly, actually they are expanding at hypersonic speeds, the shock-wave only looks slow as the area its covering is so huge.
And here's the points while you are wrong:
1. It's NOT hypersonic. It's supersonic.
2. The Shock wave slows down to sound, very quickly once it exits the fireball. FACT!
If you wanted to be more specific, you could say that the shock wave doesn't instantly slow down to the speed of sound once it exits the fireball. Then, you'd have an aruging point and THEN I would have admitted that I oversimplified and then I would have argued word semantics with you (by showing you that I never said "instantly"😉.
Here's your FACT:
"As it expands, the peak pressures of the blast wave diminish and the speed of propagation decreases from the initial supersonic velocity to that of sound in the transmitting medium. "
http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/blast.htm
Umm...duh! Such is the unchangeable disposition of a shock-wave in a relatively static medium.
And THEN, you said this:
Originally posted by leonheartmm
its the same with volcanoe clouds, like mount pinatubu, they SEEM to slowly, go towards the sky, however, if it was a race, no jet fighter, or even missile would be able to keep up with their speed.
I lol'd.
And countered with actual math for ya. awesome
Originally posted by leonheartmm
to put emphasis on them.i dont like star wars.
BLASPHEMY! IT HURTS MY EYES!
Originally posted by leonheartmm
but i already told you, ive been reading REAL books before wikipedia was even here. infact, poor recall at times is the only reason i use wikipedia in some instances. not only does you knocking wikipedia make no sense{since your not providing a good enough counterargument to my points, which shud be easy according to you, if im a wiki reader}, but your not making any actual counterargument.
Eye of the beholder, really. I'm quite certain no one cares about the speed of a shock-wave during a nuclear blast. Since I was, am, and will continue to be correct (because I stated correctly, first), nothing you can say will change your original ignorance.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
no1 knows anything of a certainty, if you were talking about the deailed history of the american indians, i wudnt pretend to know it, among many many other things. i am talking about things that i beleive i have reasonable enough exposure to.
True.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
robtard and AC dont THINK .
I disagree. I think they are both better are debating and thinking things through than you are. Doesn't change the fact that they can be "poopypants" sometimes, though. 😄
Originally posted by inimalist
Wikipedia has not been found to contain significantly more errors than other encyclopedias. While all encyclopedias are subject to error and are not considered the most academic of sources, in almost all cases, Wikipedia gives at least as much information as any standard reading material.
That wasn't my point in mentioning that. I like wikipedia.
Here's what my point was: a 20 minute read on Wikipedia isn't enough to understand some subjects.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and just incase your still sceptical, here is some wiki to reference dadudemonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_wave
{read it all but specially the part near the end of detonation wave}http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions
again read how fast the blast winds can reach with the initial shockfront.
please dont ignore these two pieces of information which completely destroy your argument. im sorry i used hypersonic in error as i remembered it incorrectly to be mach three instead of mach 5. you are sticking to your original errant sources and not budging an inch to reason or references i provide. your trying to put me down for posting things i supposedly dont know about when you yourself are clueless about the basics of shockwaves.
ofcourse i know that the speed of wave propogation has to do the with density of the medium, this is basichigh school physics, and that sound travels faster in denser medium. did you know that shockwave is NOT sound though, do you even know how shockwaves differ from soundwaves?!?!?!?!?!?! in a NORMAL case with sound, the non ideal nature of the gas medium would change the speed of sound travelling through it due to the high pressure. ofcourse, u shud also know, that by the time the density of the fireball change, the shockwave has already passed outside it. heres a quote
"""When a shockwave is created by high explosives such as TNT (which has a detonation velocity of 6,900 m/s), it will always travel at high, supersonic velocity from its point of origin. """"
and i dont think they are better at debating. i think they are your friends, or of a simple mental capacity and thats the main reason ur rooting for them.
now either counter argue or dont post. i already think you know very little about the topic in question and were overly giddy that you were able to "prove" me wrong with the first links that came to your mind.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
please dont ignore these two pieces of information which completely destroy your argument.
I can and did. They didn't destroy anything. They simply agree with everything I've been saying.
I will not respond to anything about this. I've proved you wrong. There is not doubt left. You were simply wrong.
No matter how much typing you do, it won't change that.
You simply need to post up, "K, dadudemon, I admit it, I was wrong."
That's it. 😐
Originally posted by leonheartmm
ofcourse i know that the speed of wave propogation has to do the with density of the medium, this is basichigh school physics, and that sound travels faster in denser medium. did you know that shockwave is NOT sound though, do you even know how shockwaves differ from soundwaves?!?!?!?!?!?!
I was hoping you would say that. I got you. 😄
That's only half of it, son. MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!
There's also the heat of the atmosphere it is traveling through, all things equal, sound travels faster through atmosphere that is hotter. This is one of the contributing factors in the "why?" for the supersonic speed of the shockwave inside of the fireball.
Isn't it awesome that I'm not just wiki-smart? 😐
Oh, and your wiki quote is correct. I even mentioned something similar about the volcanic explosions. However, and this is where you fail, it quickly slows down to mach or slower.
Now do yo usee why I keep telling you are wrong? I think you've got the gist of it, now...you're just failing to admit I'm right.
And, no, you are more of a friend than Robtard and AC. 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
That wasn't my point in mentioning that. I like wikipedia.Here's what my point was: a 20 minute read on Wikipedia isn't enough to understand some subjects.
fair enough, I tend to be really pedantic at times
Originally posted by Robtard
New additions do come out and that ability to not be edited by any clown online gives them that edge over Wiki.
I agree with the sentiment, although I'm like 99% sure they changed the policy about editing articles. I think all edits are now subject to some sort of "review". (no, I refuse to call it peer-review).
also, that "edge" does not make the information in the standard encyclopedias more accurate. Instead of being down on Wiki, be down on regular print versions, as even with the support of experts and an undemocratic set up, they fail to be more accurate than internet anarchy.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I can and did. They didn't destroy anything. They simply agree with everything I've been saying.I will not respond to anything about this. I've proved you wrong. There is not doubt left. You were simply wrong.
No matter how much typing you do, it won't change that.
You simply need to post up, "K, dadudemon, I admit it, I was wrong."
That's it. 😐
I was hoping you would say that. I got you. 😄
That's only half of it, son. MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!
There's also the heat of the atmosphere it is traveling through, all things equal, sound travels faster through atmosphere that is hotter. This is one of the contributing factors in the "why?" for the supersonic speed of the shockwave inside of the fireball.
Isn't it awesome that I'm not just wiki-smart? 😐
Oh, and your wiki quote is correct. I even mentioned something similar about the volcanic explosions. However, and this is where you fail, it quickly slows down to mach or slower.
Now do yo usee why I keep telling you are wrong? I think you've got the gist of it, now...you're just failing to admit I'm right.
And, no, you are more of a friend than Robtard and AC. 😐
sigh, you do know that i have an A levels high grade in physics dont you. im not just WIKI SMART either you fool. im qualified enough to get into any advanced undergrad coarse in any university in the second or third year. stop patronising me with meaningless rationalisations of your inability to accept fault.
am i more of a friend? really? hmmmm, shud i take it easy on you then????
my wiki quote relies on the DISTINCTION between shockwave and sound wave. which you havent given me enough evidence to think you understand.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
my wiki quote relies on the DISTINCTION between shockwave and sound wave. which you havent given me enough evidence to think you understand.
I don't need to prove to you anything as I handedly proved that you didn't know what you were talking about, many heap moons ago.
No, you don't need to take it easy on me. You just need to admit you were wrong. 😉
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't need to prove to you anything as I handedly proved that you didn't know what you were talking about, many heap moons ago.No, you don't need to take it easy on me. You just need to admit you were wrong. 😉
but i wasnt wrong, and ive given references too. and ive also proven that i have undergrad physics qualfications till the second year also, if i didnt mention it, i have undergad maths qualification till the second year/semester too. so you were wrong on BOTH account. factual, as well as ad hominem, i didnt LEARN this stuff from wiki.
if you must know, the first time i learnt about the affects of shock etc in detail ofr nukes was by dr samar mubarak. maybe youve heard of him 😉 .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKJYYXUNPGo&feature=related
along with dr A Q KHAN {sure uve heard of him lol} . hes the head honcho in developing the nuclear and missile research and arsenal of pakistan and............... a good friend of my fathers and one of the associations hes in. so forgive me if i take the words of some of the top scientists in the field over yours, as if basic physcis and wiki quotes werent enough to disprove your fallacious assertions.
lol, your a good guy, when your not being a butthole.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes. 🙂 . nice guy, mislead by patriotism.
wow man, I've read a lot about him in stuff about security in South Asia.
He sounds really interesting, certainly with a good head on his shoulders.
Does he still live in Pakistan? (lol, I guess to the best of your knowledge). Or like, how do Pakistanis feel about him?
i think so, his house is still here and his wife still lives in it, last i heard from him wan an invite to his daughter's marriage, didnt attend though. i think his house arrest ended a while back and he sumtimes writes for the jung newspaper here.
pakistanis view him as a hero and a lamb for the slaughter since its weapon technology was leaked to libia etc, he cudnt possibly be the mastermind. he works FOR the government. on top of him nearly singl handedly evening pakistan's power balance against india.
personally, i think hes a humble patriot who doesnt realise that no matter who WINS, humanity loses in a nuclear war. but my mum used to know him and his family better than me, and some of my friends.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i think so, his house is still here and his wife still lives in it, last i heard from him wan an invite to his daughter's marriage, didnt attend though. i think his house arrest ended a while back and he sumtimes writes for the jung newspaper here.pakistanis view him as a hero and a lamb for the slaughter since its weapon technology was leaked to libia etc, he cudnt possibly be the mastermind. he works FOR the government. on top of him nearly singl handedly evening pakistan's power balance against india.
personally, i think hes a humble patriot who doesnt realise that no matter who WINS, humanity loses in a nuclear war. but my mum used to know him and his family better than me, and some of my friends.
So, in Pakistan then, is it believed that he did or did not give nuclear secrets to the Libyans?
I honestly don't know what I think, given I've only read western sources, but from them you hear of a meeting between him and Bin Laden's crew where he walked away calling them all "insane".
I see the power balance with India as a good thing, at least in a global security context, but I get what you are saying about no winners in nuclear war.
Do you think Pakistan would be safer now if it didn't have nukes? Do you think America would be more aggressive on Pakistani territory if they didn't?
lol, sorry to go so totally off topic, but seriously, too interesting man