Abortion

Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
Personally, I think we need to do abstinence-stressed sex ed. Inwhich Abstinence is prefered (untill marriage...I am a firm believer in the phraze "Unus materia pro vita" which means "One mate for life"...), but you aren't telling lies about condoms and contraceptives. And the media needs to get off this sex sells stuff, and try new and inventive ways to sell stuff... you know use their forgotten minds for a change... Frankly, sex as a sales pitch is getting old, it's time for someone to think of something else.

I'm with you on pretty much everything but this.

Obviously kids should understand that abstinence is the only 100% method, but frankly, for some people, a healthy interest in sex is good through those years and totally normal.

I'm not for institutions, especially those that the government controls in order to "educate" people, making any moral statements about sexuality, and ideally they should encourage individuals to express themselves in a safe and healthy manner.

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm with you on pretty much everything but this.

Obviously kids should understand that abstinence is the only 100% method, but frankly, for some people, a healthy interest in sex is good through those years and totally normal.

I'm not for institutions, especially those that the government controls in order to "educate" people, making any moral statements about sexuality, and ideally they should encourage individuals to express themselves in a safe and healthy manner.

Yea, but it comes down to what you think a healthy inerest in sex is. I think I have a healthy intrest, in that it interests me, but I choose to abstain from it untill I am (at the very least) in a relationship that I am certain will end in marrage, but preferably after the knot is tied. But that comes mainly from my religious convictions, and I try not to force my beliefs on others (though I will voice that I disagree with sex outside of marriage.)

Ofcourse then you get into what exactly constitutes marriage under God, and frankly... I really couldn't tell you... Have as of yet to see it truly outlined in This is what has to be done for you to be married

Originally posted by inimalist

Obviously kids should understand that abstinence is the only 100% method...

I DISAGREE 😛

Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
Yea, but it comes down to what you think a healthy inerest in sex is. I think I have a healthy intrest, in that it interests me, but I choose to abstain from it untill I am (at the very least) in a relationship that I am certain will end in marrage, but preferably after the knot is tied. But that comes mainly from my religious convictions, and I try not to force my beliefs on others (though I will voice that I disagree with sex outside of marriage.)

Ofcourse then you get into what exactly constitutes marriage under God, and frankly... I really couldn't tell you... Have as of yet to see it truly outlined in This is what has to be done for you to be married

ya, no...

I was talking more about people interested in having sex.

encouraging people to be abstinent is essentially forcing your belief when put into a classroom setting.

Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
Of course then you get into what exactly constitutes marriage under God,[/u]

Why should marriage only reflect what "god" wants?

Originally posted by Ace of Knaves
Why should marriage only reflect what "god" wants?

It shouldn't. Even God Himself would probably be pissed if the agency of choice was removed.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It shouldn't. Even God Himself would probably be pissed if the agency of choice was removed.

Then you accept that an agency isn't mandated by god and only hated by ohers who assume it's their right to pass judgment?

I don't think the school should have the bigger part in a teenager's sex ed. I mean, when and if someday I'll have kids I want to be the one to sit them down and honestly answer their questions and provide them with the FACTS. I don't want some religious nut scaring the hell out of them.

It would be nice and romantic if we only had one love for our life but wake up and face reality. When you scare teens away from sex, they're gonna think that sexual intercourse looks like something out of a porn movie and they'll become sexually frustrated pervs and will be killing hookers for a hobby...

Leave god and every tale out of it, tell them that unprotected sex equals babies and STDs, and what they have to do to prevent it. That's all. You don't have to put them in misery with YOUR belief in your hell.

Bringing up religion as a reason is just as stupid as if an old German guy with a pseudo-power who has never had sex in his life said that condoms don't actually work...

Originally posted by Ace of Knaves
Then you accept that an agency isn't mandated by god and only hated by ohers who assume it's their right to pass judgment?

No. I accept that God allowed agency for our growth and progression while here on Earth. And it is never the right of others to pass judgment on one another, only God's. 😄

Originally posted by Dulcie
It would be nice and romantic if we only had one love for our life but wake up and face reality. When you scare teens away from sex, they're gonna think that sexual intercourse looks like something out of a porn movie and they'll become sexually frustrated pervs and will be killing hookers for a hobby...

Yeah . . . . . lets not twist the facts to an absurd degree or anything.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah . . . . . lets not twist the facts to an absurd degree or anything.

An absurd degree is what I was aiming for as opposed to abstinance. Obviosly an overkill but my point was that who would want to degenerate their kids' mind?

*Raises hand*

The 'morality' behind sexuality and what kind of sex is 'appropriate' is entirely cultural and subjective in nature; if you believe that your concepts of what sex should be are universal in absolute, then you're forcing your own, subjective opinion upon a certain group of individuals. And by what right do you do it? What makes your lifestyle superior to their own? Oh, let me guess: God and the Bible agree with it. But even faith in these things is simply a subjective act, and therefore cannot be forced upon individuals who do not believe in it or adhere to a differing culture.

The thing is, an explicit sex education is both a way to avoid unnecessary abortions and to grant students the ability to know what they need to know about sex- because they will do it. During adolescence, the raging hormones leads to insatiable sexual desire. Now, there are obviously alternatives to sex (masturbation, pornography), but eventually, some kids are going to want to do it. And who can tell that they shouldn't? Is it immoral? Do they not know what is good for them? Here's the deal: beyond a certain age (NOT 18. Far younger), only the individual knows what is best for him: not some governmental authority. And that's not to say teens should be encouraged to have sex- they simply need to know the facts, if they choose to do so. Everybody's concept of decent sexuality is different, and thus, forcing one concept upon other people is a fascistic and wrong act.

[note: I'm not referring to a specific 'you', just anybody who believes in abstinence.]

Originally posted by Dulcie
An absurd degree is what I was aiming for as opposed to abstinance. Obviosly an overkill but my point was that who would want to degenerate their kids' mind?

Tell ya what.

If you're attractive, you and I can test some of your ideas out. You will obviously abort...but we will test out these sexuality ideas you're posting about.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon

The thing is, an explicit sex education is both a way to avoid unnecessary abortions and to grant students the ability to know what they need to know about sex- because they will do it.

Like showing them [porn] videos of anal fisting, bestiality, role-reversal, Roman showers etc? Because that was covered in a college human sexuality class; I'm not sure that would make a difference in regards to sex and abortions to an adolescent crowd.

Originally posted by Robtard
Like showing them [porn] videos of anal fisting, bestiality, role-reversal, Roman showers etc? Because that was covered in a college human sexuality class; I'm not sure that would make a difference in regards to sex and abortions to an adolescent crowd.

I wouldn't encourage lying about it to a curious student

Originally posted by inimalist
I wouldn't encourage lying about it to a curious student

But it probably would be best not to say anything if the student is a kid. You could at the very least get in serious trouble with the parents.

Originally posted by Robtard
Like showing them [porn] videos of anal fisting, bestiality, role-reversal, Roman showers etc? Because that was covered in a college human sexuality class; I'm not sure that would make a difference in regards to sex and abortions to an adolescent crowd.

Hmm-hmm, yeah, brainwashing kids with graphic images of gay porn is the way to go in Liberal America.

Originally posted by inimalist
I wouldn't encourage lying about it to a curious student

Don't have to lie per se, just those facets of sexuality are not needed to educate a teen on what they need to know in regards to sex, sexual safety and pregnancy.

I'm guessing high school Sex Ed courses vary, because mine pretty much covered all the key elements (oral, vagina and anal sex, pregnancy, birth control, STD prevention etc) , even if a student going into the course knew nothing beforehand, they left with a decent amount of knowledge in regards to protecting themselves and not getting pregnant/impregnating someone else.