Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am Pro-life and Pro-choice. Why? My Buddhist beliefs.
Only from a semantic stand point. In real life (where non-Buddhists live) Pro-life and pro-choice are directly at odds with one another, one says that abortion should be illegal the other that it should not. It's impossible to be both except from the deliberately dense stand point of "pro-life means supporting life" which it doesn't it means opposing the legality of abortion.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'll just ask in simple terms then. Pro-choice or pro-life and why?
We are just an animal and nothing more. We do not have a soul, and there is no god looking down on us from above. We have a right to choose one way or the other, or some of both sides. However, to live in delusion leads to suffering.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We are just an animal and nothing more.
Partially true.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We do not have a soul, and there is no god looking down on us from above.
Sure, why not.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We have a right to choose one way or the other, or some of both sides.
Right on!
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, to live in delusion leads to suffering.
Everything is a delusion. You can never know anything remotely approaching truth, the best you can do is select a specific set of delusions and use them as the basis of your world view.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Only from a semantic stand point. In real life (where non-Buddhists live) Pro-life and pro-choice are directly at odds with one another, one says that abortion should be illegal the other that it should not. It's impossible to be both except from the deliberately dense stand point of "pro-life means supporting life" which it doesn't it means opposing the legality of abortion.
It does not matter to me. I will not judge people one way or the other.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Everything is a delusion. You can never know anything remotely approaching truth, the best you can do is select a specific set of delusions and use them as the basis of your world view.
However, if you know something is a delusion, and you follow that delusion, when it leads to suffering, you cannot blame anyone else but yourself.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, if you know something is a delusion, and you follow that delusion, when it leads to suffering, you cannot blame anyone else but yourself.
There is no truly objective judge of reality. To "follow a delusion" is a meaningless statement without that, just about any path of thought becomes equally valid.
Originally posted by Robtard
"Pro-life" is the anti "Pro-choice", you really can't be both. Sounds like a cop-out.
It is not a cop-out. Does it make sense to force people who believe that Abortion is murder to live in a state where abortion is legal? I think each state should decide by a vote. Personally I would vote to make it legal. Then if the state you are in goes the direction you don't like, you can move. I simply believe that the topic should not be decided by the courts or federal government. Human reproduction should be voted on my the people.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is not a cop-out. Does it make sense to force people who believe that Abortion is murder to live in a state where abortion is legal? I think each state should decide by a vote. Personally I would vote to make it legal. Then if the state you are in goes the direction you don't like, you can move. I simply believe that the topic should not be decided by the courts or federal government. Human reproduction should be voted on my the people.
Or, you know, the people actually involved decide instead...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is not a cop-out. Does it make sense to force people who believe that Abortion is murder to live in a state where abortion is legal? I think each state should decide by a vote. Personally I would vote to make it legal. Then if the state you are in goes the direction you don't like, you can move. I simply believe that the topic should not be decided by the courts or federal government. Human reproduction should be voted on my the people.
What if all the states make it legal?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then it should be legal in all states, and it would be the people who decided. I think what has caused a lot of the problems is the fact that this was decided in the courts.
Then what happens to the dissenters? Why not just inform people that if they don't want an abortion they don't have to have one.
Or alternately what happens if all the states make it illegal?