Originally posted by RobtardNo.
So abortion is murder, unless the father happens to be a criminal? Sounds like you're blaming the baby on the actions of the father? This isn't commie-China, dude. GTFO!
If the baby is gonna be born uber-deformed, if the mother has HIV and will pass it on to the child, rape, etc.
If a girl gets preggers and wants an abortion just cuz, **** her, she shoulda kept her legs closed.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No.If the baby is gonna be born uber-deformed, if the mother has HIV and will pass it on to the child, rape, etc.
If a girl gets preggers and wants an abortion just cuz, **** her, she shoulda kept her legs closed.
Hitler much? Should we also kill the retards? Want about the cripples?
Rape, as mentioned, you're blaming the baby for the crimes of its father. Commie-Chinese ####.
Wait, so you're against a woman's right to control her own sex life? Chauvinist-Fascist pig. Maybe you should keep your dingus zipped up?
Originally posted by RobtardI am saying that it should be an option, that's all. Maybe the deformed thing was a bit overboard, but still, if the baby is gonna be born with HIV, then the mother should be given the option.
Hitler much? Should we also kill the retards? Want about the cripples?Rape, as mentioned, you're blaming the baby for the crimes of its father. Commie-Chinese ####.
Wait, so you're against a woman's right to control her own sex life? Chauvinist-Fascist pig. Maybe you should keep your dingus zipped up?
Revision: She shoulda used protection.
Let me put it this way: If the baby is gonna be born with no complications to it or the mother, then the mother should not be allowed an abortion. Anything else, there should be a group of non biased doctors that decide.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am saying that it should be an option, that's all. Maybe the deformed thing was a bit overboard, but still, if the baby is gonna be born with HIV, then the mother should be given the option.Revision: She shoulda used protection.
What you're saying, though non to eloquently is: Abortion is murder, unless the baby came from rape, has HIV or is deformed. What an ******* statement. GTFO!
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If a girl gets preggers and wants an abortion just cuz, **** her, she shoulda kept her legs closed.
just cuz?
like, she was bored and needed something to do...
by chance, how many abortions do you think are done with as much thought as purchasing impulse items at a super market?
A fetus has no meaningful human connections and is incapable of forming any. It has less sapience than most animals and it is highly doubtful if it is capable of suffering on any meaningful level. Aside from the fact that it is a bundle of cells that might become a human being, a fetus is not a person and thus I find it no more unethical to destroy a fetus than to step on insects.
Originally posted by Lucius
A fetus has no meaningful human connections and is incapable of forming any. It has less sapience than most animals and it is highly doubtful if it is capable of suffering on any meaningful level. Aside from the fact that it is a bundle of cells that might become a human being, a fetus is not a person and thus I find it no more unethical to destroy a fetus than to step on insects.
That depends on what you consider a "person". What does it mean to be a person? You have to define "person" before you can claim a fetus isn't one.
Originally posted by TacDavey
That depends on what you consider a "person". What does it mean to be a person? You have to define "person" before you can claim a fetus isn't one.
not really
the issue isn't about whether it is a person, the issue is about what rights it deserves
of course it is a person, in whatever abstract sense you are talking about, but no abortion critic would actually make the argument that a fetus deserves the same rights as an adult, legal, person.
No 2 year old has mobility rights, no children have rights of association, virtually every constitutional right guaranteed to adults is not applied to children. Thus, there is no real compelling reason why an abortion at some point during pregnancy shouldn't be allowed unless you can prove that sperms and eggs require the same "right to life" that legal adults deserve.
Originally posted by Robtard
Hitler much? Should we also kill the retards? Want about the cripples?Rape, as mentioned, you're blaming the baby for the crimes of its father. Commie-Chinese ####.
Wait, so you're against a woman's right to control her own sex life? Chauvinist-Fascist pig. Maybe you should keep your dingus zipped up?
What if the mother's life is in danger? What if she will die if she goes fourth with the prenancy?
Originally posted by Lucius
A fetus has no meaningful human connections and is incapable of forming any. It has less sapience than most animals and it is highly doubtful if it is capable of suffering on any meaningful level. Aside from the fact that it is a bundle of cells that might become a human being, a fetus is not a person and thus I find it no more unethical to destroy a fetus than to step on insects.
And you know this how? Have you studied the brain activity of a 5 week fetus? 10 week fetus? A 15 week fetus? A 20 week fetus?
Originally posted by inimalist
what if a person with mental disability met those same standards, you think it would be ok to kill them?
How bad of a disability? Even a person with down syndrome can form relationships and have a rudimentary awareness of suffering and pleasure. A person with autism may find some aspects of social interaction to be difficult, but they can still form meaningful human connections and take a measuring of pleasure or pain just as well as anyone else. Even "lower" animals can make such connections. My cat can make social connections, and she can suffer and feel pleasure. My bar for this is not set high, but yes effectively, the disability would have to prevent the person from performing those two things. If it did, then I would not find it unethical to kill them.
Originally posted by Robtard
And you know this how? Have you studied the brain activity of a 5 week fetus? 10 week fetus? A 15 week fetus? A 20 week fetus?
Noxious pathways don't develop until... 24 weeks? And even then that says nothing about the feotus' ability to be aware of suffering or even itself.
Originally posted by Utsukushii
What if the mother's life is in danger? What if she will die if she goes fourth with the prenancy?
For one, I'd hope she'd put on her big girl panties and suck it up, not the first time a parent has risked their life for their child.
But if she hasn't the spine, then it is legal to kill a person who is putting your life in immediate risk, so it'd be more akin to self-defense. That.