Yikes *ahem*, yes well, I suppose I find it a bit embarassing to even be discussing this but let me clarify a few things. First of all, I accept that sex is not only for procreation. We're not talking about making/not making babies, we're talking about when a child is conceived, what then? Abortion would deprive that child of life...possibly in favor of improving someone else's life
"Abortion would deprive that child of life...possibly in favor of improving someone else's life"
Yes, that's what's good. Improve the life of someone who's already ****ing living here rather than letting the situation deteriorate but adding another person to an already over-filled planet.
It's really not that hard to see. It's called logic and it will help us all evolve.
-AC
I think we need to get a few things clear on this thread. Certain facts seem to be ignored or mistaken. Human life begins at fertilization. From that point until a human dies, we are technically alive. An embryo is a human, there is no matter of opinion on this. There's no "its not a human to me," it is a human embryo, simple as that. The embryo is not a fetus nor a baby until it reaches the end of the 8th week, and the majority of abortions are performed before then, I'll post statistics below. Abortion is technically not murder because 1)it is a legal practice and 2)embryos are not independent organisms, and they do not have self awareness or a consciousness. Also, pregnancies due to rape is extremely rare. The estimate I saw for rape pregnancies was somewhere around 200 a year in the US. Everything I listed above is fact, none of it is my personal opinions.
Statistics for how long in the pregnancy abortions are usually performed.
Using a 1,500,000 figure, in 1992:
- 1.2% or 18,000 were 22 weeks or older
- 10.0% or 150,000 were 13-20 weeks
- 88.8% or 1,332,000 were 12 and under
Center for Disease Control, MWWR, Dec. ’94
http://abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_17.asp#how%20many
Ouch, your logic is a bit harsh. This is an over-filled world and plenty of people do no good for society. Should be remove them?
I'm sorry, we're off topic. The improving someone else's life part sounds nice, but as someone mentioned earlier, it's selfish. Now some would say that selfish is good, after all look after number 1 is key to human thought processes.
Did I have a point? Oh, yes, improving life....from what little I know of abortions they're emotionally traumatic. How is that improving life?
"Yes, that's what's good. Improve the life of someone who's already ****ing living here rather than letting the situation deteriorate but adding another person to an already over-filled planet."-Me
^^^This is my view on it. Humans need to start loving the people already living on this planet rather than bring more people that will either hate, or be hated into it. That's neither here nor there though.
I believe the ends justify the means.
A girl gets pregnant, birth would mean her life deteriorates, which is problem 1.
Second, a deteriorating, unfit mother or unprepared mother (or for whatever reason) now has a baby in her hands, a living human form. That's problem 2.
Third, adoption occurs. The kid grows up and wants to find it's natural mother which is a birthright and a human right. Finds out it was put up for adoption and now a conscious human mind is tainted or driven into a possible depression or downward spiral. Maybe a "I wasnt meant to be here" mentality. That's problem 3.
Here's what happens with abortion:
A girl gets pregnant, has an abortion.......problems 1, 2 and 3 are gone.
-AC
Let me swerve back on topic.
Life isn't that simplified. Yet that's not what we're talking about specifically.
Abortion to me, is a simple issue when you break it down. Because it only affects the person having it. So I see no other reason why anybody else should have any kind of say or impact on that woman's ability to realise her need and want, to have an abortion.
If Jackie Malfoy or Fiery Eyes and people like them got Abortion illegalised. They would be living their lives as they do normally, while millions of women are having babies they don't want. Fair?
-AC
Oh now see I disagree with that. I think if the father wants to be involved in the decision making process he has every right, providing he's not a sexual crimminal. I dont think it should be made Illegal, but I do think it shouldnt be something thats just obtained because a woman cant be bother with having said child especially with the availability of birth control in this day and age.
Ok AC, hold up a second there. I would agree that a child can worsen the parent's life, but to suggest abortion is better for the fetus is ridiculous. Two of my cousins are adopted, my friend was adopted, my dad's girlfriend was adopted... people who were adopted seem to turn out fine. And even if the kids childhood is pure shit, it's better than being sucked out of them womb and thrown in a trash. I would have to say that everybody's life has some form of happiness. Everybody has something they enjoy. Abortion is almost never better for the fetus. The exception would be if it were to be born in pain and live for a few months but then die. Better for the mom? Yeah. Better for the fetus? Nope.
Also, I don't agree with abortion as a form of population control. Maybe in overcrowded places like Asia or the middle east, but here in America it's just not necessary. The US grows about 1% every year and that is including immigration. Due to the 'baby boom' of the previous generation there are actually more old people dieing than new babies being born. In fact it seems that with our current numbers it is going to be impossible for the middle aged people to share the same retirement benefits as old people today when they retire because of the lack of young people around to pay for it.
The population control thing was with regards to the world as a whole.
"Better for the mom? Yeah. Better for the fetus? Nope."
Which one is already here? I think that determines who should have the final say.
"And even if the kids childhood is pure shit, it's better than being sucked out of them womb and thrown in a trash."
Agreed of course, but not having a shit childhood is better than having a shit one. So if a child isn't wanted and as a result a shit childhood is gonna come of it: Avoid the dumpster, avoid the bad childhood. Get an abortion.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Ok.Supposing I was the father. We both wanted it aborted, what then?
-AC
I believe I said "have a say in the decision" didnt I? Dont try and twist my words around AC, I play that game better than you do. I can respect your opinion whereas you have no respect for mine. It's your way or the highway and like I told you before, we dont live in a black and white world..........well unless you're a comic. 😉
"I believe I said "have a say in the decision" didnt I? Dont try and twist my words around AC, I play that game better than you do. I can respect your opinion whereas you have no respect for mine. It's your way or the highway and like I told you before, we dont live in a black and white world..........well unless you're a comic. "
You would win an award for telling people about themselves, must admit. I respect your opinion, never said I didn't. You took that upon yourself to assume. It's not my way or the highway, it's my way and if you don't like the way I present it, tough shit.
As for twisting words, I don't try to twist words unless it's for comedic reason. So that comment is null and void.
-AC
Omega: FE> Hmmm… What happened to the discussion on The Pill causing chemical abortion???
I'm trying to catch up on that now. i'm not able to get online as much as I use to. It's taking 4 ever for me to get to the page I last was, ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr it's very slow, i'm having puter problems right now.
Busy alot now, Thats why I got out of alot topics I couldn't keep up w/them all 🙂
There is a diff in preventing a pregnacy and terminating pregnacy. One exist the other doesn't. You can't kill something that doesn't exist, you can however prevent it from ever existing.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not my way or the highway, it's my way and if you don't like the way I present it, tough shit.-AC
Thats the same thing. And you are most certainly entitled to your opinion, I just happen to think you're wrong. But whether you agree with me or not on this topic, makes no difference to me as I hardly live my life worrying about what other people think. 😉