Originally posted by carver9You are not interested in knowing the truth. You are clearly arguing from bias. I listed the feats. Just youtube Superman vs Zod and watch the entire fight. You will see multiple times Zod used superspeed. You act if Zod never shown superspeed at least once. If that's the case then either you are trolling or shouldn't be participating in this debate since you don't know super basic info on a character.
Burden of proof is on you my friend. Show me these speed fts.
Originally posted by FrothByteThey were hit into the buildings.
It would have been more impressive if both Superman and Zod were able to avoid hitting all those buildings while flying around... but we know that's not the case. MOS is notorious for the amount of destruction Superman and Zod caused while they were fighting.Majority of their flying was done in straight lines. That isn't exactly a great showcase of superspeed, much in the same way that me and you fighting on a plane traveling at high speeds isn't a showcase of superspeed.
Originally posted by h1a8
They were hit into the buildings.
But what does that have to do with the times they zipped around the buildings DBZ style? Or when Zod blitzed Superman (in Faora style)?
Zipping around buildings really wasnt that fast. And there was no Faora style blitz. Neither was Faora herself (the fastest character in that film) beyond Helas abilities to react to.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Zipping around buildings really wasnt that fast. And there was no Faora style blitz. Neither was Faora herself (the fastest character in that film) beyond Helas abilities to react to.
That's your opinion.
Zod did a single blitz to Kal. Foara did a multiple blitz.
Prove it.
Show me Hela reacting to something in less time it takes Zod to zip or blitz to her from 50ft away.
For example, if Zod blitzed in 0.1 seconds then show an attack that took 0.1 second to reach Hela where Hela reacted to it in time.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's your opinion.
Zod did a single blitz to Kal. Foara did a multiple blitz.Prove it.
Show me Hela reacting to something in less time it takes Zod to zip or blitz to her from 50ft away.
For example, if Zod blitzed in 0.1 seconds then show an attack that took 0.1 second to reach Hela where Hela reacted to it in time.
Show me Zod blitzing someone first Lmao
Helas taken on multiple opponents simultaneously, caught Mjolnir, reacted to machine gun fire, is agile, acrobatic, a more skilled warrior than Thor and has AOE attacks.
So I really dont see how Zod flying sorta fast is an issue.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Show me Zod blitzing someone first LmaoHelas taken on multiple opponents simultaneously, caught Mjolnir, reacted to machine gun fire, is agile, acrobatic, a more skilled warrior than Thor and has AOE attacks.
So I really dont see how Zod flying sorta fast is an issue.
Zod blitzed quickly around the buildings.
Basically Zod can zip and can cover 100ft or more in less than 0.1 of a second.
Show Hela moving and reacting in less than 0.1seconds
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Until Kal stopped holding back? Sure.And that on his first day as Superman... And before he displayed any significant speed feats.
Clark still hard years of experience with his powers. Zod had a day. And they were 50:50 until they landed back on Earth where Superman got the better position.
I'm not even gonna comment the speed feats nonsense again. Superman's powerset didn't change between MoS and JL. He always had that speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Zod blitzed quickly around the buildings.Basically Zod can zip and can cover 100ft or more in less than 0.1 of a second.
Show Hela moving and reacting in less than 0.1seconds
What this?
@0:38 - 0:50 ?
Thats 12 seconds. And hes clearly visible.
Here @ 1:56
Hela reacts to bullets, puts her cloak to protect her before getting hit. And thats while fighting off an army from multiple directions.
Here @ 1:19
She catches Mjolnir.
Reaction speed more than sufficient to react to Zod attacking.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Clark still hard years of experience with his powers. Zod had a day. And they were 50:50 until they landed back on Earth where Superman got the better position.I'm not even gonna comment the speed feats nonsense again. Superman's powerset didn't change between MoS and JL. He always had that speed.
Zod also lost to Jor-El.
Kals powers were developing throughout Mos. Theres nothing to suggest he reached his peak in 1 day of beginning his training. But youre welcome to show speed perception feats from either him or Zod.
Heck Zods powers were clearly developing, yet he was able to hit Kal the whole tine
Originally posted by Darth Thor
What this?@0:38 - 0:50 ?
Thats 12 seconds. And hes clearly visible.
Here @ 1:56
Hela reacts to bullets, puts her cloak to protect her before getting hit. And thats while fighting off an army from multiple directions.
Here @ 1:19
She catches Mjolnir.
Reaction speed more than sufficient to react to Zod attacking.
Zod also lost to Jor-El.
Kals powers were developing throughout Mos. Theres nothing to suggest he reached his peak in 1 day of beginning his training. But youre welcome to show speed perception feats from either him or Zod.
Heck Zods powers were clearly developing, yet he was able to hit Kal the whole tine
It took Hela close to a second to turn her back. So either it took a second for those so called bullets (I have no idea what they are) to arrive or Hela turned before they were fired. Therefore you failed to show Hela reacting in less than 0.1 seconds. She basically moved with human level speed the entire movie.
Originally posted by NemeBro
https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/making-superman-fly-again-man-steel"In addition to superhero speed they would throw punches that would minimally break the sound barrier so there would be shock waves. At the same time, they didn't want to lose the force of the punches completely in motion blur (except as a gag with Zod's partner, Faora). They added effects to it by putting mock cones on the forearms, shockwave effects when they hit blows as visual cues."
https://www.artofvfx.com/man-of-steel-guillaume-rocheron-vfx-supervisor-mpc/
Second source no longer exists, but the screencap still does.
https://i.imgur.com/2X88RM0.png
Zod and Clark were trading punches that broke the sound barrier in Man of Steel. Which makes sense, since we know in the film Superman has the reaction-time to maneuver in-between building while flying those speeds without crashing as seen in that very fight.
Zod definitely has super speed in combat.
Originally posted by h1a8
No look at the quick burst Zod gave. Superman had to zip around the buildings just to try to catch up. Being visible is immaterial. Zod covered more than 100ft in less than 0.1 seconds.It took Hela close to a second to turn her back. So either it took a second for those so called bullets (I have no idea what they are) to arrive or Hela turned before they were fired. Therefore you failed to show Hela reacting in less than 0.1 seconds. She basically moved with human level speed the entire movie.
Refer to the time stamp like I have. Which 0.1second are you referring to?
Talking about reaction speed for Hela, not movement speed, she can throw her swords/spikes fast enough once she reacts. That said it definitely didnt take her a whole second to turn her back lol.
Originally posted by Darth ThorIt took her 0.5 to 0.8 second to turn (human level speed).
Refer to the time stamp like I have. Which 0.1second are you referring to?Talking about reaction speed for Hela, not movement speed, she can throw her swords/spikes fast enough once she reacts. That said it definitely didnt take her a whole second to turn her back lol.
But Nemo basically provided proof they were operating at superspeed (supersonic) but allowing the audience to see what they were doing.
Did you read his post?
So no need to discuss this further unless you have a scene where she is operating faster than human movement.
Originally posted by h1a8
It took her 0.5 to 0.8 second to turn (human level speed).
Time it yourself. I stated almost a second.
The scene right before Zod went out of sight. He went roadrunner and zip out the scene.
Then you have the scene Superman weaving (zipping) around buildings chasing Zod. Zod had to be equal or faster because Superman wasn't able to catch up.But Nemo basically provided proof they were operating at superspeed (supersonic) but allowing the audience to see what they were doing.
Did you read his post?
So no need to discuss this further unless you have a scene where she is operating faster than human movement.
Forget Nemo. Give me the time stamps for your argument so we can time Zod on the video. Just like you have done with Hela.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
What this?@0:38 - 0:50 ?
Thats 12 seconds. And hes clearly visible.
Originally posted by Darth ThorKals powers were developing throughout Mos. Theres nothing to suggest he reached his peak in 1 day of beginning his training. But youre welcome to show speed perception feats from either him or Zod.
Heck Zods powers were clearly developing, yet he was able to hit Kal the whole tine [/B]
What do you mean Kal's powers were developing? He had powers since he was a kid. He just didn't know how to use them. Jor-El only taught him to test his limits.
Bump.
Why are some people treating steppenwolf like he's outgunned here. Because Superman treated him like a joke?
Guess what? JL Superman will do the same thing to Gorr, Thanos and Hela.
Steppenwolf is a top tier, and is more than a match for Thanos and Gorr. Zod will murder Gorr. And Zod can also beat Hela.
Doomsday can solo team 1.
