Saitama runs the marvel hardcore gauntlet

Originally posted by Smurph
I also think people just put too much stock in that Great Race scan. It's one writer's opinion about how a hypothetical race would go. Yes it's from a comic, but it's not exactly a canon feat.

It's cool to get the explanations for each character etc - lots of nerdy info for a battleboard - but it doesn't mean much on its own, absent actual feats for the characters.

But Godspeed on the other hand, doesn't really have many feats or even appearances after his first storyline....So the scan really is what we can get a relatively clear level Godspeed is operating at in his base form

Originally posted by h1a8
Stupid has nothing to with creativity, which is subjective in a way.

Not to toot my own horn here -- but if I knew I couldn't reach that speed in 500 m, my first though would be "I should build up to that speed" and not "straight line goes brrrr"

How creative would that make me?

Originally posted by carver9
I've seen this and this scan doesn't represent on panel showings. Example... reverse Flash is above her in your scan but on panel, not only does a sneak attacked Reverse Flash easily get kicked in the face by her, she also had enough time to use a body that she grabbed to knock him out.

https://imgur.io/a/gJLuG

Oh, you sweet soul.

The Reverse Flash that is faster than Wonder Woman on foot is not the same one in your scan.

Carver: but why Flash so slow if Flash so fast?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

It's why he prefers scans from RTs.

Originally posted by Philosophía
What level of creativity do you think it takes to reach the conclusion that, if you want to use your flight speed to [FT]L slam/bullrush into your opponent, it requires building up your flight speed to that level?

Not to toot my own horn here -- but if I knew I couldn't reach that speed in 500 m, my first though would be "I should build up to that speed" and not "straight line goes brrrr"

How creative would that make me?

Did you just use a different Reverse Flash you found in the respect thread?

Oh, you sweet soul.

The Reverse Flash that is faster than Wonder Woman on foot is not the same one in your scan.

Lol
It's not like Sentry will even be thinking, "I want to hit this guy at FTL. so how would I be able to do it?" That will not be his thought process (neither mine as well). Otherwise, he would have done so in comics before. He will be thinking, I'm going to hit this guy as hard amd as fast as I can from where I'm at now."

Saitama isn't going to just sit there. Sentry will be attacked. Sentry initial attack (which underestimates Saitama because he will think he's a weak human) will result in Sentry getting one punched.

Originally posted by h1a8
Otherwise, he would have done so in comics before.

Originally posted by h1a8
How a fight in a comic will go does not necessarily prove how it would go in a forum.
Forums have rules, comics don't. No PIS, CIS, full capacity, etc.

So unless the characters were fighting to the best of their ability in a comic (no PIS showings or plot devices for example) then the showing holds little weight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Has absolutely nothing to do with this particular discussion. And I'm still right in both

Originally posted by h1a8
Lol
It's not like Sentry will even be thinking, "I want to hit this guy at FTL. so how would I be able to do it?" That will not be his thought process (neither mine as well). Otherwise, he would have done so in comics before. He will be thinking, I'm going to hit this guy as hard amd as fast as I can from where I'm at now."

He's not character in this thread so he definitely will now.

What goes on in a comic, does not necessarily point to how it goes down in a forum fight, especially if we use your words. There is no PIS here, no CIS here. You saying that you wouldn't think of doing XYZ, isn't proof that Sentry In a forum fight would do so. Is he at full capacity in terms of his creativity in all of his comic fights?

Flash doesn't clock his opponents in the first millisecond of his fights - but it's a viable tactic, because it's been proven that he possesses that level of speed. Whether he thinks of doing so, is moot - the ruling says nothing about that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What goes on in a comic, does not necessarily point to how it goes down in a forum fight, especially if we use your words. There is no PIS here, no CIS here. You saying that you wouldn't think of doing XYZ, isn't proof that Sentry In a forum fight would do so. Is he at full capacity in terms of his creativity in all of his comic fights?

Flash doesn't clock his opponents in the first millisecond of his fights - but it's a viable tactic, because it's been proven that he possesses that level of speed. Whether he thinks of doing so, is moot - the ruling says nothing about that.

We can't just make up elaborate tactics for characters.

You have a bad habit of misinterpreting rules and using faulty analogies. Doesn't work on me, I'm too smart for that. Try that on someone dumber.

A character will not do anything you want them to do. It has to be within their intelligence, creativity, and style.

You have to prove that Sentry will not only think of the tactic (very hard to do) but that he will choose that tactic over countless others BEFORE LOSING.

Why does he have to prove that out-of-character Sentry will change his trajectory to optimize his speed? If changing his trajectory will better his chances he will do it with CIS off peroid.

It's not an elaborate tactic to go fast, particularly as we've seen him do so against Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not an elaborate tactic to go fast, particularly as we've seen him do so against Thor.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Why does he have to prove that out-of-character Sentry will change his trajectory to optimize his speed? If changing his trajectory will better his chances he will do it with CIS off peroid.

Changing his trajectory is you creating a strawman.
Do you even know what's being discussed?

Originally posted by h1a8
I agreed he will go fast. You are strawmanning again.

Changing his trajectory is you creating a strawman.
Do you even know what's being discussed?

But we saw him accelerate to many times lightspeed in the time it took Rogue to fall a short distance, as I've said before.

Originally posted by h1a8
I agreed he will go fast. You are strawmanning again.

Changing his trajectory is you creating a strawman.
Do you even know what's being discussed?

Instead of going in a straight line where he wouldn't be able to reach FTL speed in the span of a .5 kilometer battle field without bfring. Sentry would need to change his trajectory and fly in a circle to achieve the FTL speed without going over the battlefield limitations. You're claiming it's not in character for him to think of that particular strategy so he won't do it. I'm telling you that CIS is off and therefore he will optimize his strategy regardless if he's mentally capable of thinking as such. As long as its physically within his power, because he's not in character when CIS is off. Where exactly is the strawman?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Instead of going in a straight line where he wouldn't be able to reach FTL speed in the span of a .5 kilometer battle field without bfring. Sentry would need to change his trajectory and fly in a circle to achieve the FTL speed without going over the battlefield limitations. You're claiming it's not in character for him to think of that particular strategy so he won't do it. I'm telling you that CIS is off and therefore he will optimize his strategy regardless if he's mentally capable of thinking as such. As long as its physically within his power, because he's not in character when CIS is off. Where exactly is the strawman?

If Sentry has infinite time to try all different scenarios then maybe.
But, at the beginning he has no knowledge of Saitama. He's going to do what EVERY villain did, assume he's some bald human crazy person weakling. So a straight bullrush would be possible (not likely) to start things off. Note: Sentry has other options, like energy blasts, grabs, etc.

Saitama isn't going to sit there, he's going to attack as well (primarily after the Sentry first failed attack). So the fight would be over well before Sentry would have even possibly thought of that tactic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But we saw him accelerate to many times lightspeed in the time it took Rogue to fall a short distance, as I've said before.

But I didn't see that so it's not necessarily true. You have to prove that he accelerated to light speed in the time it took Rogue to fall a short distance (you have to define or show what this short distance is). Again, walk me through the scans or give issue numbers and I'll treat it myself.

It's a different argument that Sentry will generate light speed doing a bullrush from 0.5km than say hundreds of miles away.
The battlefield has a limited size because "NO leaving the battlefield" is a rule. A horizon is only created by a curved plane (like a planet). Horizons don't exist on infinite flat planes. That's why I take the battlefield to be the starting distance.
Hell they can bullrush each other in the beginning with Saitama landing the winning blow.

Are there any scans of Sentry blitzing in multiple angles FTL? Linear speed, we have that - switching directions? Scans please.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Why does he have to prove that out-of-character Sentry will change his trajectory to optimize his speed? If changing his trajectory will better his chances he will do it with CIS off peroid.

Because changing directions while maintaining that speed is challenging.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Sentry has infinite time to try all different scenarios then maybe.
But, at the beginning he has no knowledge of Saitama. He's going to do what EVERY villain did, assume he's some bald human crazy person weakling. So a straight bullrush would be possible (not likely) to start things off. Note: Sentry has other options, like energy blasts, grabs, etc.

Saitama isn't going to sit there, he's going to attack as well (primarily after the Sentry first failed attack). So the fight would be over well before Sentry would have even possibly thought of that

He's not going to do what every villain does because he's not in Character. He's going to do the most optimal strategy because CIS is off.