Saitama runs the marvel hardcore gauntlet

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Emotional? Lol. They're all fictional characters, no need to get emotional.

I'm merely pointing out your inconsistencies. You say Mags' superspeed isn't on Northstar's level - Ok. In short, they're of varying quantities - one is more than the other.

Then say ABC logic applies when comparing varying quantities. And yes, he used his speed to catch Northstar. Even laughs that he's no Quicksilver.

What you're saying makes no sense, if Mags speed is slower than Northstar then him catching Northstar is PIS. But, we all know mags cannot even come close to Northstar in speed. Flashy Flash outright stated that Saitama can keep up with him and was dumbfounded by his speed. So, how are those two examples comparable? Hell-bent on lowballing here which is why I called you emotional.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
have you even glanced at any of saitama's fights? because he's almost never portrayed as an "elaborate and creative genius" when it comes to his fighting tactics lol.

so if you're trying to defend him, you are going about it VERY wrong.

And conversely, the elaborate and exotic tactics that H1is arguing that Sentry would NOT do......

Is attain a high enough speed to bullrush Saitama.

Originally posted by Classic NES
What you're saying makes no sense, if Mags speed is slower than Northstar then him catching Northstar is PIS. But, we all know mags cannot even come close to Northstar in speed. Flashy Flash outright stated that Saitama can keep up with him and was dumbfounded by his speed. So, how are those two examples comparable? Hell-bent on lowballing here which is why I called you emotional.

That's the thing.... it's fiction. None of it needs to make sense. You think writers sit down and go oooh in Batman #36 back in 1964, his strength was X, and so he can't do Y, and we know Green Arrow on JLA#72 back in 1984 did Z, so he must be stronger, so when they meet GA will snap him?

No.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's the thing.... it's fiction. None of it needs to make sense. You think writers sit down and go oooh in Batman #36 back in 1964, his strength was X, and so he can't do Y, and we know Green Arrow on JLA#72 back in 1984 did Z, so he must be stronger, so when they meet GA will snap him?

No.

There's only one writer for OPM. It's one auteur's vision not a series of different writers with different creative visions. So, his interpretation [That is ONE's] is the only one that exists.

ONE is to OPM, what Toriyama is to DB. A single writer; a single vision.

But yeah, Saitama is faster than Flashy Flash to some unknown degree. Saitama was able to outpace/outreact him quite easily, and then Flashy Flash himself later admitted that Saitama was faster(along with Garou, Platinum Sperm, and Blast):
https://ibb.co/PFbLRX4

And given the [albeit retconned] battle on Io, we can also logically assume that Saitama at least has the ability to become the fastest out of those three as well(assuming he can ramp back up to those levels again, of course.)

That said, trying to scale/calc Saitama's speed with any sort of true accuracy is a royal pain in the ass, and tends to devolve into opinions and headcanon. Just Google "how fast is Saitama?", and click on any one of the hundreds of sites that pop-up... You'll see what I mean.

Just keep anime out of here, Galan 👆

If I did what the OPM side are doing in here with arty scans as proof of speed for Lobo or other comic characters, I'd be accused of trolling.

If people want to come into the comics forum and compare them against comic characters, we should use comic conventions and rules.

If that's impossible......just get rid of it, or dump it into anime or something.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just keep anime out of here, Galan 👆

If I did what the OPM side are doing in here with arty scans as proof of speed for Lobo or other comic characters, I'd be accused of trolling.

If people want to come into the [b]comics forum and compare them against comic characters, we should use comic conventions and rules.

If that's impossible......just get rid of it, or dump it into anime or something. [/B]

Agreed on all fronts.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just keep anime out of here, Galan 👆

If I did what the OPM side are doing in here with arty scans as proof of speed for Lobo or other comic characters, I'd be accused of trolling.

If people want to come into the [b]comics forum and compare them against comic characters, we should use comic conventions and rules.

If that's impossible......just get rid of it, or dump it into anime or something. [/B]

But the comic conventions you all tend to mention/use is still inaccurate. If it had some kind of accuracy to it, characters like Wonder Woman would be a snail to beings like Supergirl, Superman, Gladiator, etc... but we've seen her outright blitz these characters on numerous of occasions without even sharing their [flight] speed showings. Even writers mention beings like Flash being only able to reach sub light speeds.

Originally posted by carver9
But the comic conventions you all tend to mention/use is still inaccurate. If it had some kind of accuracy to it, characters like Wonder Woman would be a snail to beings like Supergirl, Superman, Gladiator, etc... but we've seen her outright blitz these characters on numerous of occasions without even sharing their [flight] speed showings. Even writers mention beings like Flash being only able to reach sub light speeds.

Comic conventions take into account different writers Manga doesn't have that problem generally. The point is to weed out outlier showings, that's what DS was alluding to I think.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
have you even glanced at any of saitama's fights? because he's almost never portrayed as an "elaborate and creative genius" when it comes to his fighting tactics lol.

so if you're trying to defend him, you are going about it VERY wrong.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Comic conventions take into account different writers Manga doesn't have that problem generally. The point is to weed out outlier showings, that's what DS was alluding to I think.

That's the thing, Wonder Woman showings are common, common to the point of it being a standard that she can either blitz or outright keep up with kryptonians or beings with FTL flight showings, something she doesn't share. Wonder Woman doesn't have a single flight ft to my knowledge of her flying FTL but again, she have showings of her outright blitzing beings that possess flight speeds in that range.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why would your failures of imagination apply to Sentry?

Yet when I ask for these better feats, all I get are pretty art and circular ABC logic.
Magneto also has superspeed, incidentally. Is it better than Northstar's? Well he's caught and beaten Northstar. Is Saitama's speed better than Flashy Flash's? Well he's caught and beaten Flashy Flash. Etc etc.

Because there is no evidence he would think that way. He could have done that tactic to a lot of people but didn't. I don't have to prove a universal negative quantifier (never, etc). The onus is on those assigning the special attributes to a positive.

Originally posted by carver9
That's the thing, Wonder Woman showings are common, common to the point of it being a standard that she can either blitz or outright keep up with kryptonians or beings with FTL flight showings, something she doesn't share. Wonder Woman doesn't have a single flight ft to my knowledge of her flying FTL but again, she have showings of her outright blitzing beings that possess flight speeds in that range.

So, that would be how she operates: FTL speed with limited range but no FTL flight and traveling speed.

Originally posted by Classic NES
So, that would be how she operates: FTL speed with limited range but no FTL flight and traveling speed.

There's zero proof she's fighting at light speed during every instance they are fighting and no one (besides me lf course) would say she's faster based off outside showings that mainly consist of flight fts. This is why I ALWAYS ask for combat showings. Even during the scans the crew posted of Sentry, same comics, same writer, Sentry was being outreacted by Wasp which tells me his reflexes doesn't match his flight speed.

Originally posted by carver9
There's zero proof she's fighting at light speed during every instance they are fighting and no one (besides me lf course) would say she's faster based off outside showings that mainly consist of flight fts. This is why I ALWAYS ask for combat showings. Even during the scans the crew posted of Sentry, same comics, same writer, Sentry was being outreacted by Wasp which tells me his reflexes doesn't match his flight speed.

Carver if she can keep up with people who have moved at lightspeed or more than her speed or reflexes should scale to them.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Carver if she can keep up with people who have moved at lightspeed or more than her speed or reflexes should scale to them.

How far does this go? If Hulk can keep up and tag people that have flown FTL, does hus speed scales to theirs? Where is the exception here? Deathstroke tends to do well against the Flash family, I'm guessing his speed scales as well?

Originally posted by carver9
How far does this go? If Hulk can keep up and tag people that have flown FTL, does hus speed scales to theirs? Where is the exception here? Deathstroke tends to do well against the Flash family, I'm guessing his speed scales as well?

Case by case, Diana has independent speed feats as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't have to prove a universal negative quantifier (never, etc).

Originally posted by h1a8
Sentry will blitz straight on though. He has 0.5km to build up speed.

You've assigned this weird special attribute to Sentry, that he only flies in straight lines. You say that's within his character. Ok, prove it.

That doesn't match theirs. Wonder Woman doesn't have a single hard humber ft and I feel confident in saying she would blitz the F out of Sentry and tie him up before he could react.

Originally posted by carver9
That doesn't match theirs. Wonder Woman doesn't have a single hard humber ft and I feel confident in saying she would blitz the F out of Sentry and tie him up before he could react.