Oh I just think Widow's base stats border on superhuman. So if Widow wins with equalized stats then her advantage is that much greater if Wonder Woman has worse stats.
As to 'stomp' vs 'slight edge' yeah, maybe I'm giving too much benefit of the doubt to Diana. Widow varies a bit but her highs are definitely above where I'd place powerless Diana.
Originally posted by Smurph
Oh I just think Widow's base stats border on superhuman. So if Widow wins with equalized stats then her advantage is that much greater if Wonder Woman has worse stats.As to 'stomp' vs 'slight edge' yeah, maybe I'm giving too much benefit of the doubt to Diana. Widow varies a bit but her highs are definitely above where I'd place powerless Diana.
Depends on how highly you value Black Widows skill and how much emphasis you put on high level martial arts compared to Wonder Womans combat training.
You had Deathstroke dancing around Wonder Woman and saying how her old greek fighting skills don't compare with the plethora of various martial arts he knew. Obviously that in itself is a weird execution of an idea, but his point still stands. We would never rank Wonder Woman as a better fighter than your Karate Kids and Lady Shivas.
I'd back Black Widow. I think overall her fighting ability has to be higher than Wonder Womans, who sometimes survives on her stats alone. Black Widow requires skill to survive.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Depends on how highly you value Black Widows skill and how much emphasis you put on high level martial arts compared to Wonder Womans combat training.You had Deathstroke dancing around Wonder Woman and saying how her old greek fighting skills don't compare with the plethora of various martial arts he knew. Obviously that in itself is a weird execution of an idea, but his point still stands. We would never rank Wonder Woman as a better fighter than your Karate Kids and Lady Shivas.
I'd back Black Widow. I think overall her fighting ability has to be higher than Wonder Womans, who sometimes survives on her stats alone. Black Widow requires skill to survive.
If you A B compare characters then use their best non contradictory showings. Don't use the best for one and a lower for another. That gives a sense of bias and not objectivity.
Writer's intent is That WW is very comparable to Batman at h2h.
Writer's intent.
Originally posted by StyleTimeThere are no peak humans in the real world. A peak human is the strongest a human can possibly be. It's a theoretical limit. She's definitely peak human (not superhuman by any stretch).
No. She's above real world peak humans. Virtually all major street levelers are.And Natasha was biochemically enhanced which offers some explanation other than just "I trained hard."
Biochemical enchance didn't increase her strength. It affects other factors, like aging, healing, etc.
If WW starts at peak human (equal to BW) then WW wins
If WW starts at 80% of Black widow then it's a toss up