Black Widow vs Wonder Woman with a twist.

Started by DarkSaint858 pages

Lmao. Yeah, agreed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[b]Every other showing of Widow contradicts this one two three showings of her being beyond a peak human.

That's ok, I'll just redefine what peak human means. [/B]

"if" is a very important word. Learning it's meaning will prevent you from appearing stupid.

Reread my post, focus on the word "if".

Originally posted by Smurph
Daredevil (1998) #63

So it's Canon. So that's 2 comparable feats, although the first one is significantly better than the 2nd. Probably enough? Up for debate.

Originally posted by h1a8
"if" is a very important word. Learning it's meaning will prevent you from appearing stupid.

Reread my post, focus on the word "if".

Calm down, lol.

Well, y'all were kind enough to provide feats.

I still see something fundamentally wrong with h1's entire premise though.

Black Widow requires feats.

This mythical real life peak human only requires hypothetical speculation that a real human might maybe possibly perform comic feats if we use our imaginations.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Does current Widow have slightly enhanced stats? Something similar to the Super Soldier Serum?

Been that way for a while now, it's not a new thing.

First mentioned in 1999, I believe.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, y'all were kind enough to provide feats.

I still see something fundamentally wrong with h1's entire premise though.

Black Widow requires feats.

This mythical real life peak human only requires hypothetical speculation that a real human might maybe possibly perform comic feats if we use our imaginations.

I understand your confusion. Allow me to explain:

Originally posted by h1a8
If I wrong then please provide proof.

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I don't have scans.

In Black Widow's case, multiple feats and citations aren't enough to displace h1's preconceived belief based on, I can only assume, the tiers thread and her Wikipedia entry.

In Wonder Woman's case, h1 doesn't need to provide feats or citations, just his recollection of "writer's intent":

Originally posted by h1a8

Writer's intent is That WW is very comparable to Batman at h2h.
Writer's intent.

Funny how the Venn diagram between "writer's intent" and "my personal impression of the character" is... a circle

Let me tell you about my left index finger....

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, y'all were kind enough to provide feats.

I still see something fundamentally wrong with h1's entire premise though.

Black Widow requires feats.

This mythical real life peak human only requires hypothetical speculation that a real human might maybe possibly perform comic feats if we use our imaginations.

What's my premise?

Originally posted by h1a8
We go by her feats to determine her level of stats.

Do we now. Would you say we need to actually see scans as proof of something?

That thing Galan's always doing?

Just assumed he was insulting everyone's intelligence by showing them things they already knew. I always figured he was just weird, educating know it alls.

...uh, not against you specifically DS, I'm doing a everyone on KMC rant right now..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do we now. Would you say we need to actually see scans as proof of something?
Start giving direct statements. No more trap games. Make your point and make it clear

Originally posted by h1a8
Start giving direct statements. No more trap games. Make your point and make it clear

Seems pretty clear to me. He's posted scans, while you haven't even given a citation.

Originally posted by h1a8
What's my premise?

Originally posted by h1a8
A peak human is the strongest a human can possibly be. It's a theoretical limit.

Originally posted by h1a8

She didn't do anything from my memory that makes me believe no human can ever do.

i.e.
Originally posted by StyleTime

Black Widow requires feats.

This mythical real life peak human only requires hypothetical speculation that a real human might maybe possibly perform comic feats if we use our imaginations.

Originally posted by Smurph
I understand your confusion. Allow me to explain:

Ahhh, makes sense now. 👆

Originally posted by StyleTime
i.e.

The 2 quotes from me are true statements. Therefore there is nothing wrong with them. The last quote is your own.

Originally posted by cdtm
She heard the round, aim dodging equivalent. I do it all the time when making drug deals.
Technically, her instinct had her moving before she actually heard the sound? Still... heck of a feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
Start giving direct statements. No more trap games. Make your point and make it clear

You're a hypocrite, is my point, and it's not worth engaging you in serious discussion because you contribute nothing whatsoever.

Originally posted by h1a8
The 2 quotes from me are true statements. Therefore there is nothing wrong with them. The last quote is your own.

Well, no. There is something wrong with your statements -- there is no reason to believe a real life human could hypothetically do these things.

People have been desensitized to peak street feats because they are seen so often, but they are absolutely beyond what a human could hope achieve.

Even the common trope of a street hero disarming/evading/beating a room full of trained, armed gunmen is so wildly beyond human limits that you'd need to cough up some pretty extraordinary evidence to say otherwise. They'd look like blurs in real life, and a human isn't replicating that without external enhancements.

Straight up...even Stephanie Brown and Tim Drake aren't achievable goals for a real person. Not even in theory.