Black Widow vs Wonder Woman with a twist.

Originally posted by h1a8
She's definitely peak human (not superhuman by any stretch).

Biochemical enchance didn't increase her strength. It affects other factors, like aging, healing, etc.

Originally posted by Smurph
Proof?

I seen her feats. She didn't do anything from my memory that makes me believe no human can ever do. Even if she did then it's probably a 1 off feat. Everything about her appears to be peak human.

Unless you are asking for proof that WW can beat her with equal stats?

-Writers intent is that WW is very comparable to Batman
-Biochemical enhancements specifically enhanced things other than physical stats

Originally posted by Smurph
-Writers intent is that WW is very comparable to Batman
-Biochemical enhancements specifically enhanced things other than physical stats

They were dating, Bruce was being nice.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Depends on how highly you value Black Widows skill and how much emphasis you put on high level martial arts compared to Wonder Womans combat training.

You had Deathstroke dancing around Wonder Woman and saying how her old greek fighting skills don't compare with the plethora of various martial arts he knew. Obviously that in itself is a weird execution of an idea, but his point still stands. We would never rank Wonder Woman as a better fighter than your Karate Kids and Lady Shivas.

I'd back Black Widow. I think overall her fighting ability has to be higher than Wonder Womans, who sometimes survives on her stats alone. Black Widow requires skill to survive.

She was also wearing high heels and a dress.

And Slade also matches Cass, who Batman actually admitted he'd lose to in a straight up fight.

Course, that might not mean much if you don't rate Cass (I know some on KMC don't, in spite of a pretty solid list of feats in her series).

Originally posted by Enzeru
Depends on how highly you value Black Widows skill and how much emphasis you put on high level martial arts compared to Wonder Womans combat training.

You had Deathstroke dancing around Wonder Woman and saying how her old greek fighting skills don't compare with the plethora of various martial arts he knew. Obviously that in itself is a weird execution of an idea, but his point still stands. We would never rank Wonder Woman as a better fighter than your Karate Kids and Lady Shivas.

I'd back Black Widow. I think overall her fighting ability has to be higher than Wonder Womans, who sometimes survives on her stats alone. Black Widow requires skill to survive.

Woah woah WOAH!

Karate Kid? Karate Kid??

I know Stiltman likes to joke how he can't fight his way out of a way paper bag unless he's fighting Superman, but logically every single time he never splattered a street like Vegeta fighting some C lister is logically PIS. You don't match Daxamites both in terms of feats and NARRATIVE (E.g., no room for PIS) yet struggle against peak human.

Originally posted by Smurph
-Writers intent is that WW is very comparable to Batman
-Biochemical enhancements specifically enhanced things other than physical stats

Let's assume she is increased in stats from a normal woman. Whether it was due to biochemicals or not is irrelevant. We go by her feats to determine her level of stats.

So I can agree that biochemical makes her stronger. But she's not stronger than a human can possibly be, according to her showings.

I believe the 2 have sparred on near even terms. I don't have scans.

Fair enough

On the scale of reacting to bullets after they're fired, where do we rank this?
https://imgur.io/a/lSi8XFO

Originally posted by Smurph
Fair enough

On the scale of reacting to bullets after they're fired, where do we rank this?
https://imgur.io/a/lSi8XFO

She heard the round, aim dodging equivalent. I do it all the time when making drug deals.

Originally posted by cdtm
She heard the round, aim dodging equivalent. I do it all the time when making drug deals.

I doubt much lead is flying when you satisfy your caffeine addiction.

lmao how is hearing a round being fired and moving at all like aim dodging

did she hear where the round was about to be? did those biochemical enhancements give her ears a spidey sense?

Originally posted by Smurph
lmao how is hearing a round being fired and moving at all like aim dodging

did she hear where the round was about to be? did those biochemical enhancements give her ears a spidey sense?

The sound gave her a cue. *Click*, "Oh must be a bullet *sidestep* *fire*

As opposed to *Hey, is that a bullet coming at me?" *Sidestep*

Totally super human, but so is aim dodging. You try keeping ahead of a guy shooting a gun by keeping ahead of his aim.

Originally posted by cdtm
*Hey, is that a bullet coming at me?" *Sidestep*

Originally posted by Smurph
this is not aim dodging

His original post was calling it the equivalent to aim dodging. The description he gave I agree would be similar to it.

I wouldn't

Aim dodging is knowing where the bullet will be based on where the shooter is aiming at, then moving before the shooter fires.

That scan is.....moving after the bullet was fired.

^ lol exactly

plus, unless you're Daredevil, the sound of a bullet doesn't tell you where the shooter is aiming. There's no analogy here.

Originally posted by Smurph
Based on?

Based on the fact that Killer Croc of all people was giving her h2h tips.

vin

But Stilt, she sparred with Bruce

She was lucky Batman was only sparring