Originally posted by carver9
Yall trippin and yes Dark, I read your post.
Both sets of scans?
The space one on particular - Guy is clearly in space, clearly not drawn with any aura around him, clearly has his jacket grabbed - does he have shields on? Or are you arguing he, as a human, can survive in space with a leather jacket on?
Answers please.
The writer didn't make it clear during his altercation with Doomsday that his shields were up. Doomsday going all out against Booster Gold not killing him and there's other showings. The characters in the entire run were weak AF. Superman getting the wind knocked out of him by pillars falling on him. Getting koed by an exploding gas station. Everyone in the book was operating at below Herakd levels.
Originally posted by carver9How about classic Mangog? Asgardians were as weak humans getting koed from falling 10-20 feet down in the air, getting koed by falling off Mangog's back, etc
The writer didn't make it clear during his altercation with Doomsday that his shields were up. Doomsday going all out against Booster Gold not killing him and there's other showings. The characters in the entire run were weak AF. Superman getting the wind knocked out of him by pillars falling on him. Getting koed by an exploding gas station. Everyone in the book was operating at below Herakd levels.
Does that mean Mangog was less than meta level?
Also DOS gets his feats before that run (timeline wise).
Originally posted by carver9
The writer didn't make it clear during his altercation with Doomsday that his shields were up. Doomsday going all out against Booster Gold not killing him and there's other showings. The characters in the entire run were weak AF. Superman getting the wind knocked out of him by pillars falling on him. Getting koed by an exploding gas station. Everyone in the book was operating at below Herakd levels.
Fail. Your precious Hulk was overpowered by a spear that barely put a dent into the dirt. Disproving the claims of its weight. Exploding gas station >>barely denting dirt.
Originally posted by carver9
The writer didn't make it clear during his altercation with Doomsday that his shields were up. Doomsday going all out against Booster Gold not killing him and there's other showings. The characters in the entire run were weak AF. Superman getting the wind knocked out of him by pillars falling on him. Getting koed by an exploding gas station. Everyone in the book was operating at below Herakd levels.
The writer doesn't make it clear that his shields are up when he's in space either. Curiously, we all understand that for a human to survive, he must have shields up - I know comics are for kids sometimes, but SOME intelligence should apply.
So do you concede on Guy, a year after we had this exact convo?
On to your next points:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol where did I say he was a meta? I was poking fun at you, lmao. I was laughing at the notion that Guy without a ring is shrugging off bullets. But it is good that you finally acknowledged it.Beetle and Booster? Simple. You are talking about early on in the fight, yes?
As the fight went on, Doomsday was getting stronger:
When he first met the JLA and beat them into a coma, he wasn't at the level he was at later when fighting Superman. Simples.
That's if we want to ignore comic PIS. Up to you. Either A: Doomsday is human level (Booster/Beetle), B: He was weaker then got stronger, or C: Comics have this all the time, with Spiderman for example taking punches from Colossus amped with Cytorrak and 20% of the Phoenix Force and Magik.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pillars that were kicked by Doomsday. I mean, if Hulk punches Wolverine and all it does is break a few trees, is that a low showing for Wolverine (who has been in nukes)? Is it a low showing for Hulk? Or do we ignore the collateral damage, and say hey, Hulk is damn strong, and Logan is lucky that his HF is that uber?I think you and I both agree that the third statement is true.
It's cumulative damage for Superman. Which was a consistent theme throughout the entire storyline. As time went on, Superman was increasingly damaged and hurt, whilst Doomsday was fresh as a daisy.
By the by, he was literally at the center of that explosion - the electrical line in the first panel is what provided the spark that caused the explosion.
I mean, what is your end point here?
You assert that DOS Doomsday is weak (meta tier) because the opposition he faced had low showings (Superman).
You also assert he was weak because...the opposition he faced had high showings (Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Guy Gardner).
I mean, which is it? [/B]
Originally posted by Smurph
Isn't that correct though? Genuine question, I took this thread to mean Doomsday when he first breaks free in DoS.
One arm tied behind his back, punches not even phasing Supes? I mean, THAT Doomsday was weak, I agree.
Iirc, that burial shroud Doomsday's wearing also blocked sunlight, and he'd just woken up from being buried underground for 150,000 years or something.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
One arm tied behind his back, punches not even phasing Supes? I mean, THAT Doomsday was weak, I agree.
I should point out that by this point, aside from carter's lowballing(especially ignoring he's wrong on Guy), Doomsday had no sold Martian Manhunter (who may or may not have been amped by the Blood Gem), casually hurt him, and then casually simultaneously KOed him and Maxima by grabbing J'onn's leg and ragdolling him into Maxima with their heads colliding. So I guess that's the weak Doomsday.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Iirc, that burial shroud Doomsday's wearing also blocked sunlight, and he'd just woken up from being buried underground for 150,000 years or something.
Unless there was a retcon, Doomsday wasn't powered by sunlight the same way. Was a food source, not power source. Would be a starving Doomsday though, but not the same thing as a Kryptonian underground not exposed to sunlight.
And not sure if his burial shroud blocked or not, would be explained in later comics if it did.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well no. My point is that I am using the Doomsday from the end of the story, not the beginning.
In regards to Maxima/MM, I was saying that's the "weak" Doomsday(since carter wants that.....probably left there the entire gauntlet).
If you mean him getting sunlight over time on getting stronger, far as I know it would just be him not starving and getting stronger not at least directly connected the same way as a Kryptonian getting more sunlight.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm still waiting🙁
Carter's In the bathroom. You'll wait awhile.