Originally posted by DarkSaint85
One arm tied behind his back, punches not even phasing Supes? I mean, THAT Doomsday was weak, I agree.Iirc, that burial shroud Doomsday's wearing also blocked sunlight, and he'd just woken up from being buried underground for 150,000 years or something.
Superman stood there thinking that he could take anything that Doomsday could dish, until he quickly found out that he couldn’t. It wasn’t a speed feat for Doomsday, because Superman was not actively attempting to dodge. I was fully aware of what you meant. Seems as if you are the one that was left in the dark.
In other words, the slowest character could have hit him, as he had no intention of moving.
Originally posted by Stoic
Superman stood there as thinking that he could take anything that Doomsday could dish, until he quickly found out that he couldn’t. It wasn’t a speed feat for Doomsday, because Superman was not actively attempting to dodge. I was fully aware of what you meant. Seems as if you are the one that was left in the dark.
So he managed to take Superman by surprise. Outreact Superman. Blitz him with a kick. Before Superman could react to the kick, Doomsday managed to land a full kick on him.
Hmm. Who else can do it? Can Penguin do it? Alfred? How fast does one need to be to take Superman by surprise and kick him?
No. Superman stood there because he thought that he could tank anything that Doomsday could dish. He got more than he bargained for and was punted for it. Nothing more nothing less. It isn’t as if Superman is telepathic and is able to know exactly what his opponent is going to do. He stood in one spot, and was not attempting to dodge. Take note, that I could be a condescending as you were.
Originally posted by Stoic
No. Superman stood there because he thought that he could tank anything that Doomsday could dish. He got more than he bargained for and was punted for it. Nothing more nothing less. It isn’t as if Superman is telepathic and is able to know exactly what his opponent is going to do. He stood in one spot, and was not attempting to dodge. Take note, that I could be a condescending as you were.
Right. So hitting him harder than he had ever been hit, with a roundhouse kick, isn't fast at all. Superman saw this kick coming at him, faster than anything that's ever hit him before, and was unable to react.
And you got all that from a single panel? OK.
Originally posted by Stoic
He only knew that it was harder than he had ever felt before after being hit with the kick. He stood there thinking that he could tank anything that Doomsday could dish. What is it that you have not understood about the conflict? It wasn’t a speed feat, it was a lapse in judgement.
Try kicking/punching something 1/2 as hard as you can.
Then try doing the same, now as hard as you can. Max effort, full strength.
When you do so, was your foot/fist travelling faster than normal, or slower?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I'm confused.
Try kicking/punching something 1/2 as hard as you can.Then try doing the same, now as hard as you can. Max effort, full strength.
When you do so, was your foot/fist travelling faster than normal, or slower?
Are you suggesting that a more powerful punch/kick is inherently faster?
Because a jab is faster than a haymaker and definitely weaker...
Originally posted by ODG
I'm confused.Are you suggesting that a more powerful punch/kick is inherently faster?
Because a jab is faster than a haymaker and definitely weaker...
Well if you’ve actually never taken martial arts, or know how punch mechanics work, it may not be something that a person would know. Most people don’t actually truly know how to fight outside of what has been seen in movies, and other forms of fiction.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Try kicking/punching something 1/2 as hard as you can.Then try doing the same, now as hard as you can. Max effort, full strength.
When you do so, was your foot/fist travelling faster than normal, or slower?
Superman misjudged Doomsday’s capabilities, and was floored for it. He later quickly learns that he isn’t up against a Grundy clone.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well if you’ve actually never taken martial arts, or know how punch mechanics work, it may not be something that a person would know. Most people don’t actually truly know how to fight outside of what has been seen in movies, and other forms of fiction.Superman misjudged Doomsday’s capabilities, and was floored for it. He later quickly learns that he isn’t up against a Grundy clone.
I'm pretty sure your hardest haymaker is faster than your weakest. Let me know if this is a wrong assumption, and that when you punch with your hardest haymaker, your fist travels slower than when you send out the weakest haymaker possible.
Seeing as you're a seasoned fighter and all. Based on your posts, I'll assume.....you don't win many of these fights?
^ I'm not exactly a white knight. But the ad hominem is unnecessary. If you ever learned how to punch you would understand that one of the most important things is not the speed, nor the power, but the aim.
And you aim 3-6 inches beyond contact.
If you throw your strongest straight at someone's jaw, there's a huge difference between aiming shallow right where you expect to meet the jaw and aiming 3-6 inches past their jaw. Follow through. This shouldn't be a foreign concept as it applies to most sports like baseball, golf, soccer and not just fighting.
And this vapid discussion has little to do with Doomsday's combat superspeed or lack thereof.
Originally posted by ODG
^ I'm not exactly a white knight. But the ad hominem is unnecessary. If you ever learned how to punch you would understand that one of the most important things is not the speed, nor the power, but the aim.And you aim 3-6 inches beyond contact.
If you throw your strongest straight at someone's jaw, there's a huge difference between aiming shallow right where you expect to meet the jaw and aiming 3-6 inches past their jaw. Follow through. This shouldn't be a foreign concept as it applies to most sports like baseball, golf, soccer and not just fighting.
And this vapid discussion has little to do with Doomsday's combat superspeed or lack thereof.
O....k?
I'm not saying it's the most important thing though
The faster you(or your hits, in this topic) the more momentum you gain, hence, the harder you can hit
There are differences in details, such as you need extra moves to increase your hits speed in traveling, hence the difference in jab and haymaker. Or you can hit the weaker points, therefore, aiming different parts in body can have various results
But the principle is still there( the faster you go, the more momentum you gain, hence, the harder you can hit).
A faster jab is more powerful than a slower jab, a faster haymaker is more powerful than a slower one, and so on
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Could also be a case of Doomsday subconsciously holding back to an extent. He'd never fought anyone with Superman's level of strength/durability beforehand, so he may have went in thinking that Supes was just like the countless run-of-the-mill feebs he'd encountered previously. Hence why DD's first strike was no-sold, but his later strikes visibly affected Superman(and I'm not even factoring in the "dynamic strength" thing here.)
One arm tied behind his back, punches not even phasing Supes? I mean, THAT Doomsday was weak, I agree.Iirc, that burial shroud Doomsday's wearing also blocked sunlight, and he'd just woken up from being buried underground for 150,000 years or something.
Like if I went my whole life owning droves of 3 year olds with ease and didn't think there was anyone stronger out there, I'd probably attack a fully grown man with the same level of force that was usually adequate to own said toddlers... But once I saw that he was clearly stronger than a 3 year old, I'd be like "oh shit, I have to hit this guy harder." /shrug