Looks like Snowden was a Russian asset
Looks like Snowden was a Russian asset
His actions certainly hurt American intelligence.
But don't tell me you support Prism, or any kind of mass surveillance on citizens without their knowledge or consent?
I'm being completely serious here, you talk as if you believe a police state is acceptable, provided such a state was effective against neo-nazi's or white supremacists or other dissidents.
Originally posted by SmurphSure, but morally who's worse, the US or Russia? Why choose Russia over the US to expose? Then take their passport?
I don't follow. Isn't it explanatory that he sought Russian citizenship to avoid extradition?
Originally posted by Robtard👆 That he was and he fooled me for a bit. But, it was the long game to undermine the youth via the internet, make them distrust. Look how Glenn Gruenwald turned out... Master of right wing media, his mask slipped bigtime, he also fooled me and was knee deep in it all as Snowden's chronicler. I do believe Manning was genuine but vulnerable.
While possible, not sure, as noted, could just be to avoid jailNow Julian Assange, that guy's in (or was) Putin's pocket.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Well, his version of the story is that he was a whistleblower in the American govt who ultimately had to seek asylum and citizenship elsewhere to stay out of jail. If you believe him, then it wasn't really about choosing Russian over the US so much as finding allies in the enemy of my enemy.
Sure but morally who's worse? Why choose Russia over the US to expose? Then take their passport?
It seems ironic and counterintuitive in hindsight to become a Russian citizen as a result of resisting government abuse of power. On the other hand, it makes sense to me that a person who places such a high premium on individual liberties would do anything that he could to avoid jail.
All to say, I'm not sure that him making an oath to Russia really clarifies whether he was always a Russian asset or if he has just become one now as a matter of circumstance.
Originally posted by SmurphI can't disagree with any of that. And I'm going to channel Astner here with Objective observations (which are just my opinion really).
Well, his version of the story is that he was a whistleblower in the American govt who ultimately had to seek asylum and citizenship elsewhere to stay out of jail. If you believe him, then it wasn't really about choosing Russian over the US so much as finding allies in the enemy of my enemy.It seems ironic and counterintuitive in hindsight to become a Russian citizen as a result of resisting government abuse of power. On the other hand, it makes sense to me that a person who places such a high premium on individual liberties would do anything that he could to avoid jail.
All to say, I'm not sure that him making an oath to Russia really clarifies whether he was always a Russian asset or if he has just become one now as a matter of circumstance.
1) Glenn Gruenwald is now actively shilling for the far right.
2) The more you look at what Assange, Snowden and Gruenwald did, the more it plays into the hands of the far right... open doors for Trumps rise to power and Russia, who I still believe Trump was also in bed with and not just his Eastern European wife and daughter. They also caused a lot of distrust of the media and states like the US and UK leading to opportunities for popularism in the wider scheme. We all know about the likes of Philby and McClain. This was the successful turned agent.
Originally posted by Smurph
Well, his version of the story is that he was a whistleblower in the American govt who ultimately had to seek asylum and citizenship elsewhere to stay out of jail. If you believe him, then it wasn't really about choosing Russian over the US so much as finding allies in the enemy of my enemy.It seems ironic and counterintuitive in hindsight to become a Russian citizen as a result of resisting government abuse of power. On the other hand, it makes sense to me that a person who places such a high premium on individual liberties would do anything that he could to avoid jail.
All to say, I'm not sure that him making an oath to Russia really clarifies whether he was always a Russian asset or if he has just become one now as a matter of circumstance.
And we do have actual examples of what happens to whistleblowers in our regime.
Mordechai Vanunu is one example, kidnapped right out of the UK. His crime; exposing an illegal nuclear program.
The US of course has many examples of our own.
Personally, I believe they murdered Michael Hastings. His car malfunctions just before a major expose, too convenient.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
👆 Yup, it really seems so in hindsight.
It seemed so in real-time.
Assange is just the Internet version of Rupert Murdock. He does not have principled motivations, he only cares about clicks, irrespective of who is harmed.
Greenwald is a conservative Libertarian, and the only reason he is not a Republican is because he is gay. He only attacks the center and the left, and plays defense for the right.
Snowden did not reveal anything we did not know. Everything he revealed we were warned about before passing the Patriot Act. There is also a system in place for government whistleblowers, which neither he or Chelsea Manning, followed. If he did the right thing, then he would have stayed and gone to trial, confident that he would have been acquitted as a whistleblower. Instead, he was so "principled" about government surveillance that he fled to an enemy state with a worse record than the U.S.
People would have to be blind not to see through all of their bullshit.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEYeah, I see that now.
It seemed so in real-time.Assange is just the Internet version of Rupert Murdock. He does not have principled motivations, he only cares about clicks, irrespective of who is harmed.
Greenwald is a conservative Libertarian, and the only reason he is not a Republican is because he is gay. He only attacks the center and the left, and plays defense for the right.
Snowden did not reveal anything we did not know. Everything he revealed we were warned about before passing the Patriot Act. There is also a system in place for government whistleblowers, which neither he or Chelsea Manning, followed. If he did the right thing, then he would have stayed and gone to trial, confident that he would have been acquitted as a whistleblower. Instead, he was so "principled" about government surveillance that he fled to an enemy state with a worse record than the U.S.
People would have to be blind not to see through all of their bullshit.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It seemed so in real-time.Assange is just the Internet version of Rupert Murdock. He does not have principled motivations, he only cares about clicks, irrespective of who is harmed.
Greenwald is a conservative Libertarian, and the only reason he is not a Republican is because he is gay. He only attacks the center and the left, and plays defense for the right.
Snowden did not reveal anything we did not know. Everything he revealed we were warned about before passing the Patriot Act. There is also a system in place for government whistleblowers, which neither he or Chelsea Manning, followed. If he did the right thing, then he would have stayed and gone to trial, confident that he would have been acquitted as a whistleblower. Instead, he was so "principled" about government surveillance that he fled to an enemy state with a worse record than the U.S.
People would have to be blind not to see through all of their bullshit.
A writer in a reprinted article still up on the aclu website claims the intelligence communities were exempt from whistleblower protection laws;
https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/edward-snowden-whistleblower
unnecessary secrecy, or worse, official deception, is unjustifiable and illegal. In a democracy, the law should never be secret.The countless articles on the front pages of dozens of newspapers across the country since the documents leaked reveal the public thirst for this information. It is clear that these disclosures benefited the public, by giving victims of illegal surveillance – essentially all Americans – the knowledge and opportunity to challenge these unconstitutional programs, both in the courts and through their elected representatives in Congress. Even President Obama said he “welcomed this debate” and thought it was “healthy for our democracy.” Yet a properly informed public debate on these programs would not have been possible without Snowden’s leaks.
But the fact that the leaks served the public interest by exposing government illegality and abuse doesn’t mean Snowden is protected by the law, because the intelligence community has always been exempted from the Whistleblower Protection Act. This fact refutes the other common misperception: that there are effective internal avenues for reporting illegal activities within the intelligence community.
Congress passed the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act in 1998, but it is no more than a trap. It establishes a procedure for internal reporting within the agencies and through the Inspector General to the congressional intelligence committees, but it provides no remedy for reprisals that occur as a result. Reporting internally through the ICWPA only identifies the whistleblowers, leaving them vulnerable to retaliation. The examples of former NSA official Thomas Drake, former House Intelligence Committee staffer Diane Roark and former CIA officer Sabrina De Sousa show too well.
This lack of protection means that when intelligence community employees and contractors – who take an oath to defend the Constitution – see government illegality they must turn the other way, or risk their careers and possibly even their freedom. The people we trust to protect our nation from foreign enemies deserve legal protection when they blow the whistle on wrongdoing within government.
Michael German is senior policy counsel at the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office and a former FBI agent.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEhttps://intellectualtakeout.org/2018/02/professor-publishes-then-deletes-tweet-accusing-pulitzer-prize-winning-journalist-of-being-a-russian-asset/
It seemed so in real-time.Assange is just the Internet version of Rupert Murdock. He does not have principled motivations, he only cares about clicks, irrespective of who is harmed.
Greenwald is a conservative Libertarian, and the only reason he is not a Republican is because he is gay. He only attacks the center and the left, and plays defense for the right.
Snowden did not reveal anything we did not know. Everything he revealed we were warned about before passing the Patriot Act. There is also a system in place for government whistleblowers, which neither he or Chelsea Manning, followed. If he did the right thing, then he would have stayed and gone to trial, confident that he would have been acquitted as a whistleblower. Instead, he was so "principled" about government surveillance that he fled to an enemy state with a worse record than the U.S.
People would have to be blind not to see through all of their bullshit.
Less than five years after winning a Pulitzer Prize for exposing surveillance abuses in U.S. intelligence agencies, Glenn Greenwald increasingly finds himself accused of being a stooge of Vladimir Putin.
The latest accusation comes from Claus Wilke, a Professor of Integrative Biology at the University of Texas, who tweeted on Sunday that Greenwald was a “Russian asset.â€
“Dmitri: FYI, Greenwald is a Russian asset. If you look at the people and positions he has supported in recent years, that’s pretty obvious,†Wilke tweeted to a fellow biologist who teaches at Stanford University.
The evidence for Tulsi Gabbard being a Russian asset keeps increasing
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2018/02/professor-publishes-then-deletes-tweet-accusing-pulitzer-prize-winning-journalist-of-being-a-russian-asset/Less than five years after winning a Pulitzer Prize for exposing surveillance abuses in U.S. intelligence agencies, Glenn Greenwald increasingly finds himself accused of being a stooge of Vladimir Putin.
The latest accusation comes from Claus Wilke, a Professor of Integrative Biology at the University of Texas, who tweeted on Sunday that Greenwald was a “Russian asset.â€
“Dmitri: FYI, Greenwald is a Russian asset. If you look at the people and positions he has supported in recent years, that’s pretty obvious,†Wilke tweeted to a fellow biologist who teaches at Stanford University.
Glen Greenwald and his husband have been accused of sex trafficking young men in Brazil, which would explain why he is such an adamant defender of Matt Gaetz for doing the same.