Looks like Snowden was a Russian asset

Started by Smurph3 pages

Is there an actual source though?

Seems like the other accusations that Greenwald faced from Brazil were about Bolsonaro lashing out, and those were dropped. But I didn't think that those accusations included human trafficking charges.

Greenwald met his current partner as a sex tourist in Brazil. Miranda was a homeless teenage prostitute at the time. Greenwald then formed a gay pornography production company there, and Miranda recruited young men and boys to be the performers.

Greenwald had previous experience producing gay pornography when he partnered with Peter Haas on the Hairy Jocks website in 2002. They parted ways when Greenwald demanded changes to the content that Haas deemed unacceptable.

Some of those changes inlcuded Greenwald, who is of Jewish descent, dressing in a Nazi uniform, and performing BDSM sex acts on the performers. Greenwald having a Nazi fetish probably explains why he spent five years providing pro-bono legal representation for Neo Nazis.

He owes a quarter of a million dollars in judgements and liens in the U.S. alone—that we know of—which explains why he is taken up residence in foreign country and why he has become a right-wing shill.

His predilection for and exploitation of young men and boys is the kompromot that has him working as a Russian asset. He is a ****ing piece of shit, and always has been.

I'll be the bad guy so Smurph doesn't have to point it out (If he intends to)

Is there a source for any of that?

Not calling you a liar, it's just easier if we had links to know where you're getting it from, instead of looking up and down Google using various search terms.

And I mean, Smurph did nicely ask. Just saying.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Greenwald met his current partner as a sex tourist in Brazil. Miranda was a homeless teenage prostitute at the time. Greenwald then formed a gay pornography production company there, and Miranda recruited young men and boys to be the performers.

Greenwald had previous experience producing gay pornography when he partnered with Peter Haas on the Hairy Jocks website in 2002. They parted ways when Greenwald demanded changes to the content that Haas deemed unacceptable.

Some of those changes inlcuded Greenwald, who is of Jewish descent, dressing in a Nazi uniform, and performing BDSM sex acts on the performers. Greenwald having a Nazi fetish probably explains why he spent five years providing pro-bono legal representation for Neo Nazis.

He owes a quarter of a million dollars in judgements and liens in the U.S. alone—that we know of—which explains why he is taken up residence in foreign country and why he has become a right-wing shill.

His predilection for and exploitation of young men and boys is the kompromot that has him working as a Russian asset. He is a ****ing piece of shit, and always has been.

so... you don't have a source, then?

It's public record that he was corporate counsel for a porn business and ended up owning part of it and getting into litigation with his co-owner. It's also public that he had various debts and collections issues in his career, and that he met his husband when the latter was 19 in Brazil, and that Greenwald is 18 years older than him.

But all this other stuff that you're throwing out there... is that just allegations made by Peter Haas, and internet rumours, and your very loose conjecture?

Yeah im also pretty suspicious when sexual harassment accusations get attached to people spilling government war crimes.

Originally posted by Smurph
so... you don't have a source, then?

It's public record that he was corporate counsel for a porn business and ended up owning part of it and getting into litigation with his co-owner. It's also public that he had various debts and collections issues in his career, and that he met his husband when the latter was 19 in Brazil, and that Greenwald is 18 years older than him.

But all this other stuff that you're throwing out there... is that just allegations made by Peter Haas, and internet rumours, and your very loose conjecture?

It is public record. You managed to find it. So what are you complaining about?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah im also pretty suspicious when sexual harassment accusations get attached to people spilling government war crimes.

I am pretty suspicious of middle-aged men who go to foreign countries to **** teenagers.

That they are "partners" now does not make it any better than teenage girls in religious communities marrying men twice their age.

Do not defend sick shit just because it is one of your "government transparency" heroes.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is public record. You managed to find it. So what are you complaining about?
No complaint, just a simple question.

You said they've been accused of sex trafficking young men and boys. Accused by... who? Accused by Adam_PoE?

Originally posted by Smurph
No complaint, just a simple question.

You said they've been accused of sex trafficking young men and boys. Accused by... who? Accused by Adam_PoE?

The people involved with the pornography he and his partner produce together.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The people involved with the pornography he and his partner produce together.
So you've got a source then? Because the only source I see alleging human trafficking is you...

Even the NY Daily News article reporting on the Peter Haas lawsuit details some pretty embarrassing stuff about debts and emails but nothing like what you're citing.

Originally posted by Smurph
So you've got a source then? Because the only source I see alleging human trafficking is you...

Even the NY Daily News article reporting on the Peter Haas lawsuit details some pretty embarrassing stuff about debts and emails but nothing like what you're citing.

Sexually exploiting homeless teenagers for money is sex trafficking, whether it is on film or not. That he and his partner produce pornography in Brazil is a matter of public record, and one that neither of them deny. I do not know what part of this is so hard for you to grasp.

^ lol, I am not the one having trouble grasping a basic concept:

Originally posted by Smurph
source?
Originally posted by Smurph
Is there an actual source though?
Originally posted by Smurph
so... you don't have a source, then?

Originally posted by Smurph
So you've got a source then? Because the only source I see alleging human trafficking is you...
Originally posted by Smurph
^ lol, I am not the one having trouble grasping a basic concept:

Miranda was a vulnerable person that Greenwald exploited—full stop. He was a homeless teenager engaging in survival sex, and Greenwald took full advantage of him.

And he continues to take advantage of him, more recently having him attempt to smuggle a USB of sensitive government information out of Germany—you know, espionage—resulting in him being arrested.

Nothing says "principled journalist who loves his partner" like asking your brown boyfriend to take risks for you, so you can get a payday from your Russian handlers.

And that does not include having Miranda leverage his experience as a sex worker to recruit other vulnerable young men and boys to appear in the pornographic films that he produces. Again, that sexual exploitation is a form of sex trafficking.

These are the facts according to Greenwald and Miranda themselves. They try to characterize them in a way that is more flattering to them, but the facts themselves are not in dispute. They are a matter of public record, and you even corroborated some them through a cursory Internet search.

For what you seem to be asking is a single source with 28 years of his misdeeds compiled in one place and presented in a linear fashion, or it is not true. I do not think that is a good faith request, but an attempt to protect a lionized belief in this *******, and I will not entertain it for you.

I have neither the time or the inclination to dissuade you from metaphorically sucking some chi-mo's dick, because you think he is some anti-establishment hero.

A wall of text, but... still no source. Weird.

For what you seem to be asking is a single source with 28 years of his misdeeds compiled in one place and presented in a linear fashion, or it is not true.

Ah, no, we must misunderstand each other. My question is simple and specific and I've asked it five times now. Let me try again:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Glen Greenwald and his husband have been accused of sex trafficking young men in Brazil
...source?

and, for whatever it seems to be worth, the ad hominem about my motive is also off base. I don't hold up Glenn Greenwald as a hero. The guy seems like a probable jerk and a possible scumbag, although merely a possible one.

but, you mentioned allegations that went way further than anything I'd seen or anything I saw on a simple search. So I asked for a source in good faith. Then you started this strange page of apparent bullshitting instead of just... citing a source...

so yeah, Greenwald sucks to unknown degrees, but do you regularly just make shit up? or is this all just conspiracy theory fodder that you don't want to admit to peddling?

Snowden should be completely exonerated and praised for exposing a government program ruled illegal and possibly unconstitutional.

In fact, I think this applies to all whistleblowers, provided their "crimes" were only against the state. I just plain don't care that some state agency's rules were violated, if it reveals they violated the rights of the public. Ours comes first, every ****ing time.

He fled to Russia because he would be legally be treated as a spy, which prevents you from actually defending yourself in court in the same way regular citizens can.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Snowden should be completely exonerated and praised for exposing a government program ruled illegal and possibly unconstitutional.

In fact, I think this apply to all whistleblowers, provided their "crimes" were only against the state. I just plain don't care that some state agency's rules were violated, if it reveals they violated the rights of the public. Ours comes first, every ****ing time.

He fled to Russia because he would be legally be treated as a spy, which prevents you from actually defending yourself in court in the same way regular citizens can.

[quickquote=17616064](autNow that's a different argument all together. What I would say ST, is who gained from Snowden's actions? Do you think you are being observed less, do you think any notice of you was really being taken at all?

We all gain from Snowden's actions. The government should be beholden to the law, just as we, the public, are.

There shouldn't be a double-standard just because an individual violation didn't affect you specifically.

Originally posted by StyleTime
We all gain from Snowden's actions. The government should be beholden to the law, just as we, the public, are.

There shouldn't be a double-standard just because an individual violation didn't affect you specifically.

not at all, in theory I agree with a lot of that. Do you think the security agencies surveillance you less now? In terms of who gains most by someone's ineffectual actions, probably in this case whoever wants a weak America... maybe the same people who marched into Ukraine. It becomes more difficult to mobilise if your own Government is distrusted. Snowden can only do what he did in relatively democratic countries. Erdoğan or Putin would have had him killed by now.

A general post to some things said in the thread:

There seems to be multiple ideas being discussed here.

The acts of whistleblowing should be celebrated and venerated. Hopefully, future whistleblowers won't be too afraid for their lives to come forward with similar information.

If an individual whistleblower commits some other heinous act, like human trafficking, then they should be prosecuted; however, they should be prosecuted for that crime separately.