Originally posted by Ambient
Yup! Speed is a great factor in all fights, if not the only winning factor and characters who’s been around a long time has a lot of this kind of feat they can pull up out of they’re sleeves. Surfer being also around that long have a few of this nano sec reaction to at tops - time stopping speed shown in combat or travel, unless other wise disprove this equalized them at that criteria and with that his got the physical defensive stat to handle Supes attack give or take the longer the fight last Supe gains the upper hand however given his ability to exploit his weakness this upper hand quite drastically diminish as Surfers versatility afford him to weaken or completely take away what powers
Superman. Take that away he eventually gets to join oblivion 😂
Nanosecond ain't shit compared to this level of speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Goddamn, that's going to be like the most insane mental speed feat ever.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I don't think one can truly grasp how high this feat is, in terms of perception speed.He literally analyzes the data of the entire Universe to see the precise location.
This is...
How should I put this....
The computation of the entire Universe is...
https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0110141
Now, the number 10^120 is... hard to wrap your head around. Yes, I didn't mistype that .. it's not 12... it's 120. 10 to the 120th power.
Let's...try this.
Let's imagine a person A that can perceive the relative entire age of the Universe in a second, so he would be able to live roughly 10^17 relative seconds inside that one second.
Let's imagine a person B that is so much faster than that person A, that one second for person A, is, again, the relative entire age of the entire Universe from person B's perception, i.e. roughly 10^34 seconds.
Repeat this process seven times, and you get Superman.
Or, to put it easier...
Superman can live the entire age of the Universe, inside a single second.....
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times over.
Or, to put it EVEN easier...
If this feat takes Superman the age of the entire Universe to process [i.e. Superman stays in that chair for 13.8 billion years], he'd still be able to live inside a single second the age of the Universe....
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times over.
Flash evacuating that city, is from Superman's perception, standing still so drastically, that he'd perceive the relative age of the Universe trillions of trillions of trillions of trillions...etc. of times over, and Flash wouldn't have moved from his initial position even a nanometer.
Superman is so much faster than Surfer it's not even funny. He can rebuild the ****ing moon in seconds.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Ok, so, now that I logged out of my Darksaint account, let's do some math.1). Time frame
[b]Flash
0.00001 us (microseconds). That's 1 second * 10^(-11) seconds.
Superman
Let's approximate it, based on the dialogue, at 20 seconds (and for easier calculation, to make it round, as we'll split this time in two later...you'll see why).
So the timeframe in which Flash did his feat is about 2 * 10^12 times smaller.
2). Distance and speed
Flash
Total number of people = 532000
Carried "one at a time, sometimes two" for a distance of 35 miles.
Let's say he carries 1.5 people on average.
The total distance moved by Flash = 532000/1.5 (total number of people/people he carries on average) * 70 miles (there and back) = 24,826,666 miles.Turn into kilometers, that's aprox 40,000,000 km.
He did this in 10^(-11) seconds.
That means that he travelled around 13 trillion times the speed of light.
So Flash moves at 13 * 10^12 times the speed of light.
Superman
Let's start with a few pointers:
- Total volume of the moon = 21.9 billion cubic km
- We can see (1st panel) that there's no large pieces of the moon left, until Superman starts merging the debris:
https://imgur.com/a/79ksQfd
- We can see some of the chunks Superman is carying, in the same issue, like here:
https://imgur.com/a/EVcHB5j
And here:
https://imgur.com/a/MU0Abby
https://imgur.com/a/JiUZbZ7
https://imgur.com/a/C4DvJYV
Remember: This is after he already blitzed the debris to merge it at superspeed, and it's just the finishing touches, so the original pieces very probably were very small. . But, for the sake of the argument..let's take it like that.
We can observe that some of them are fist sized, some of them are human sized, some are bigger. Now, the average human body has a volume of 95 liters. Let's say 100. That's 0.1 cubic meters. But, let's be generous. Let's make the average debris as 100 times as large as that and say it's 10 cubic meters.So we have the moon at 21.9 billion cubic km, split into pieces of average 10 cubic meters.
21.9 * 10^9 * (m^3)^3 = 21.9 * 10^9 * 10^9 = 21.9 * 10^18 cubic meters total volume of the moon.
That means that there are 21.9 * 10^18 cubic meters (total volume) divided by 10 cubic meters (chunks volume) = 21.9 * 10^17 pieces of moon. Lets downgrade even more, and say it's 20 * 10^17 = 2 * 10^18 pieces of moon or, better said, 2 quintillion pieces.
- So we know we have 2 quintillion pieces. Now, we move on to the volume they're spreaded out. From the rebuilding scan, we can see that the diameter of the sphere in which they were thrown (i.e. omnidirectional) is approximately 2 times the diameter of the moon. That is 2*3,474 km = 6948 ~ 7000 km.
The volume of the sphere, V = 1.43675504E+21 m3 =~ 2 * 10^21 cubic meters
To make calculations possible, let's assume that the 2 * 10^ 18 pieces of debris are evenly distributes in the sphere, which would make the distance between two adjacent pieces inside it 100 meters.
Now, what other information do we have?
Superman was taking these pieces, and was grouping and fusing them, to make a bigger piece. Then he moved on to other pieces, and did the same thing.
And then he took those two bigger pieces he fused, and fused THEM together.
That's why we see different chunks, all over in space, being formed, as he fuses groups of debris together.
Let's say that Superman fuses them in groups of 100 chunks of 100 times his size each. And then he moves on to the next group, does the same. And then he fuses these two, and moves on to others, etc.
That means Superman travels, just for the first grouping of debris into groups of 100:
The distance between the chunks - i.e. in absolute total, if he were to fuse the moon in ONE go, he'd have to travel 2 quintillion (pieces) * 100 meters. That is 2 * 10^17 km. That is already a 100 billion times the speed of light, and that's if he had played "snake".Next, he'd have to take these groups of 100, and let's say fuse them into another group of 100 (remember, each of these 100 is already 100 times larger than him).
The distance, is again, the same, since the bigger chunks would have the same overall distance between them. That is another 2*10^17 km.
And, also, remember something else - the bigger the pieces he has to fuse, the more precise, and the more time, he has to take to do the process of fusing itself.
He wants to make the Moon the EXACT same way it was.
Let's say he ALWAYS fuses pieces by grouping them into 100 (even when some of them get as big as mountains -- essentially forcing him to fuse 100 mountains in one go...then 10,000 mountains with another 10,000 mountains in one go, etc.)
That means, in order to get the FINALIZED moon, by incrementally bigger chunks, he'd have to do this trip:
The distance he has to travel each time = (2*10^17)
The number of times, in total, he has to travel it, which is 2 * 10 ^18 / 100 = 2 * 10 ^16.So, f*cking finally, if anybody follows this, we have the final distance:
2 * 10^17 km * 2 * 10 ^16 = 4 * 10^ 33 km.This is also assuming that all of the pieces that he has to fuse are literally one next to another, and that he doesn't have to travel in a completely different part of the sphere to get it.
Think of it like a convenient puzzle, where the pieces are split over an area, but they're in the exact same order as they were when complete.
How convenient! But let's assume it's so...
Now, we go back to the beginning of the post where we approximate this all took 20 seconds, judging by the dialogue with Batman.
How much of that time is spent FUSING, with the utmost precision to make it exactly how it was, these large pieces (remember, he does this with his hands/heat vision and whatnot), and how much time is spend travelling from one piece to the next? The reason I made it a round 20 seconds is because it's reasonable to assume it was half/half.
So he spent 10 seconds travelling 4 * 10 ^33 km. That's 4*10^32 km per second.
So Superman is, in terms of flight speed travelled, aprox 10^26 times the speed of light.
So that's 100 SEPTILION times the speed of light. Or, to put it better, it's a a 100 million billion billion times the speed of light. Or 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times the speed of light.
As far as the other 10 seconds he spend fusing? He had to do the fusing process, initially, for the first grouping, 2 quintillion times, for each of the initial pieces.
Then, he had to do it 0.02 quintillion times, for the bigger pieces, obtained by grouping the smaller ones. Then 0.0002 for...etc.Let's approximate it at, simply, 2 quintillion times. What's a few trillion between friends?
How much, from his perspective (i.e. his '1 second passes'😉, do you think it took Superman for the pieces, on average? Remember, the bigger the pieces get, the more he has to fuse, the difficult it becomes. AND he has to put them EXACTLY the way they were.
Let's average of 50 seconds, from his perspective. The first ones are fast, but the later ones are slower. Remember the veritable mountains (and bigger) that I mentioned, about Superman having to fuse perfectly? Do you think it would take him 50 seconds without superspeed? Of course not. But again, let's take the minimum.
That means, that what would be 10 seconds from 'normal time' perspective, would be 50 * 2 * 10^18 from Superman's perspective. That means each second, from his perspective, would be 10^19 seconds.
To put this into a context that can be easier grasped, from Superman's perception level, inside a single second, he lives the entire age of the Universe, ten times over.
You can adjust any number, but this is the ballpark, folks.
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