Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Of course Superboy is more powerful than Superman, yeah?
Yeah, Hal Jordan is even more durable than Surfer for absorbing the entire power of Oa, not just residue of it. Without his ring even.
What i'm getting here is Ambient was saying the scaling doesn't necessarily work. So use Superboy to give feats to Superman is a bit iffy
That being said, Superman did overcome timestop/timestop speed in the past
His body is so speeded up that he can casually interact in a fraction of a nanosecond, an instant
suspended between „eternities of past and future” – a time suspension.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction2.jpg
Shruggs off full-chrono suspension.
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/fullchronosuspension.jpg
Perceive Flashes when they achieved time-stop velocity
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
BumpI know the discussion was over. But I want to add some information about the FC scene
Flashes already had reached lightspeed/time-stop velocity BEFORE they passed by Superman, As it clearly states in the Essential Edition copy
"Only we can divert those omega finder beams! At lightspeed time stops! Death too! Flash fact!"
"We DID it wally! Now go!"
https://ibb.co/S6YPYkPCombining the fact that even in this copy Barry explicitly states they need to go FTL speed to survive Darkseid's singularity. And we all know they did
https://ibb.co/vVxJzv3So even if you want to lowball this scene as hard as possible, Superman at least performed a lightspeed reaction if not FTL
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, survives a red sun going supernova.
That's like saying we're tanking supernovae too because they're frequently observed. You're not "tanking it" unless you're within a certain proximity.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superboy vs Surfer is an equal fight for Surfer yeah. Let's do that first.
No one here is compiling feats for Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, and so on. People aren't even using other Heralds's feats.
Meanwhile you're almost exclusively referencing feats belonging to other characters, and then act like this is some kind of gauntlet where Surfer has to outdo these feats before he can be considered deserving enough to be compared to Supes.
When in reality Supes (despite having the most appearances out of any comic character) doesn't have feats on this scale. You shouldn't have to use other characters's feats to make a case against Surfer (if there is a case to be made).
Originally posted by Astner
Of course, he survived it. He was nowhere close to it.
He was there when the supernova happened, he actually searched the entire sector.
But yeah, reading isn't your strong suit.
That's like saying we're tanking supernovae too because they're frequently observed. You're not "tanking it" unless you're within a certain proximity.You're missing the point.
Irony.
No one here is compiling feats for Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, and so on. People aren't even using other Heralds's feats.
It was a joke.
Meanwhile you're almost exclusively referencing feats belonging to other characters, and then act like this is some kind of gauntlet where Surfer has to outdo these feats before he can be considered deserving enough to be compared to Supes.
You got that right at least. Unless you think Superboy, a 11 year old Kryptonian is more powerful than Superman, an adult Kryptonian.
When in reality Supes (despite having the most appearances out of any comic character) doesn't have feats on this scale. You shouldn't have to use other characters's feats to make a case against Surfer (if there is a case to be made).
That's why you're dismissing pretty much every feat as not "real star" or "magical demon".
😂
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
What i'm getting here is Ambient was saying the scaling doesn't necessarily work. So use Superboy to give feats to Superman is a bit iffyThat being said, Superman did overcome timestop/timestop speed in the past
His body is so speeded up that he can casually interact in a fraction of a nanosecond, an instant
suspended between „eternities of past and future” – a time suspension.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction2.jpg
Shruggs off full-chrono suspension.
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/fullchronosuspension.jpg
Perceive Flashes when they achieved time-stop velocity
Instantly de-powers Superman by throwing out of phase the solar energies that powers him. I don’t think his got any defences to this kind of attack exploitation. Surfer is just a bad match up for him!
Then there is this; removal of solar energies!
+ Kryptonite rad/ red solar rad manipulation.
Surfer wins majority if not all the time .
kudos for you actually repping surfer well
but let's start from the beginning, superman has attosecond to nanosecond reaction speed, to the fact that he has reacted to flash and zoom
the fact that he can read every medical book in the history of mankind is a testament of his combat speed
not travel speed per se, actual combat speed, he processed the entire universe, when devices that can build sun won't be able to replicate it
list 5 surfer combat feat that can compare then we can move on to strength
Originally posted by Ambient
Nano sec still not full stop’age but close enough, so speed becomes equalized then, still taking surfer FTW due to weakness exploitation his ability to exploit weakness gets him the win majority of the time.Instantly de-powers Superman by throwing out of phase the solar energies that powers him. I don’t think his got any defences to this kind of attack exploitation. Surfer is just a bad match up for him!
Then there is this; removal of solar energies!
+ Kryptonite rad/ red solar rad manipulation.
Surfer wins majority if not all the time .
And if you want to get a close reading, the narrate actually states it is a fraction of nanosecond that suspended/stopped between past and future. I.E, the time period that is stopped. and it also states the time suspension/time dilation stretches the past and future to eternities...so I fail to see that is not a full timestop
We also have Superman breaks a full-chrono suspension, so again, I think the full timestop argument seems can be passed( and you seem to concede this point)?
Originally posted by Ambient
Nano sec still not full stop’age but close enough, so speed becomes equalized then, still taking surfer FTW due to weakness exploitation his ability to exploit weakness gets him the win majority of the time.Instantly de-powers Superman by throwing out of phase the solar energies that powers him. I don’t think his got any defences to this kind of attack exploitation. Surfer is just a bad match up for him!
Then there is this; removal of solar energies!
+ Kryptonite rad/ red solar rad manipulation.
Surfer wins majority if not all the time .
We have already seen Surfer can't manipulate bio energy even with the help of Reed's machine.
That's just the bio energy of a planet. Superman can power the ****ing sun.
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Its more likely Surfer explodes trying to drain Superman than he's able to beat him. I mean what is this, 2007?
Yup! Speed is a great factor in all fights, if not the only winning factor and characters who’s been around a long time has a lot of this kind of feat they can pull up out of they’re sleeves. Surfer being also around that long have a few of this nano sec reaction to at tops - time stopping speed shown in combat or travel, unless other wise disprove this equalized them at that criteria and with that his got the physical defensive stat to handle Supes attack give or take the longer the fight last Supe gains the upper hand however given his ability to exploit his weakness this upper hand quite drastically diminish as Surfers versatility afford him to weaken or completely take away what powers
Superman. Take that away he eventually gets to join oblivion 😂
