Superman/Silver Surfer/ Thor power breakdown

Using pre 52 Supes, Basic Surfer, and Thor before OF upgrade, the categories are........

1. Strength
2. Power lever output
3. Endurance
4. Travel Speed
5. Reflexes and combat speed
6. Telepathic resistance
7. Intelligence
8. Healing Factor
9. Longevity
10. Willpower
11. Miscellaneous powers and abilities

Which of the 3 excels at most of these?

Originally posted by lawest9
Using pre 52 Supes, Basic Surfer, and Thor before OF upgrade, the categories are........

1. Strength
2. Power lever output
3. Endurance
4. Travel Speed
5. Reflexes and combat speed
6. Telepathic resistance
7. Intelligence
8. Healing Factor
9. Longevity
10. Willpower
11. Miscellaneous powers and abilities
12. Stamina

Which of the 3 excels at most of these?

Huh? Superman just became the Living Tribunal’s footstool. Thor is still contending with Galactus level characters, and the Surfer is supposed to become the Fallen One. All three have interesting directions, but in terms of comparison’s?

Thor has the Surfer on power, while Superman remains unreachable, and gaining distance.

Superman needs but think and he can be at the end of the Universe, shatter anything with a tap, lift any amount of weight by simply willing it, Etc. What’s there to talk about? This new Superman seems to have been pushed to Doctor Manhattan levels.

1. Strength = Thor, Superman close second and Surfer not that far off
2. Power lever output = Surfer
3. Endurance = all are equals
4. Travel Speed = Surfer no contest
5. Reflexes and combat speed = Superman, Surfers close
6. Telepathic resistance = Surfer then Superman
7. Intelligence = Superman
8. Healing Factor = Surfer no contest
9. Longevity = Surfer
10. Willpower = Supes
11. Miscellaneous powers and abilities = Surfer no contest

This is me using current versions of each and including Mjlonir and Surfers board.

Originally posted by Stoic
Huh? Superman just became the Living Tribunal’s footstool. Thor is still contending with Galactus level characters, and the Surfer is supposed to become the Fallen One. All three have interesting directions, but in terms of comparison’s?

Thor has the Surfer on power, while Superman remains unreachable, and gaining distance.

Superman needs but think and he can be at the end of the Universe, shatter anything with a tap, lift any amount of weight by simply willing it, Etc. What’s there to talk about? This new Superman seems to have been pushed to Doctor Manhattan levels.

Not to mention the Fail-safe Arc was retconned to occur after Dark Crisis meaning that the Superman is getting his ass whopped by a robot (which looked bad enough even when he was weakened) is supposed to be even more powerful than he's ever been.

Originally posted by Astner

Not to mention the Fail-safe Arc was retconned to occur after Dark Crisis meaning that the Superman is getting his ass whopped by a robot (which looked bad enough even when he was weakened) is supposed to be even more powerful than he's ever been.

The comic made it clear its happening before Dark Crisis and that's how Green Arrow is alive.

Dark Crisis 7 messed up the timeline but the actual comic takes precedent over it as Green Arrow is dead after Dark Crisis and can't appear with justice league to fight Failsafe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The comic made it clear its happening before Dark Crisis and that's how Green Arrow is alive.

Dark Crisis 7 messed up the timeline but the actual comic takes precedent over it as Green Arrow is dead after Dark Crisis and can't appear with justice league to fight Failsafe.

- Dark Crisis #7

Originally posted by carver9
1. Strength = Thor, Superman close second and Surfer not that far off
2. Power lever output = Surfer
3. Endurance = all are equals
4. Travel Speed = Surfer no contest
5. Reflexes and combat speed = Superman, Surfers close
6. Telepathic resistance = Surfer then Superman
7. Intelligence = Superman
8. Healing Factor = Surfer no contest
9. Longevity = Surfer
10. Willpower = Supes
11. Miscellaneous powers and abilities = Surfer no contest

This is me using current versions of each and including Mjlonir and Surfers board.

I would give the strength category to Superman as well based on his previous showings. But if we're talking about the current Superman (as per Action Comics #1050), there's not enough there to gauge his power, let alone to meaningfully address the remaining categories.

Originally posted by Astner
I would give the strength category to Superman as well based on his previous showings. But if we're talking about the current Superman (as per Action Comics #1050), there's not enough there to gauge his power, let alone to meaningfully address the remaining categories.

My post is including Mjlonir. If we are talking strength for strength, arm wrestling and not just hitting power, then Supes is stronger.

Originally posted by lawest9
True but I did say on the op pre 52 Superman, what I had in mind was Supes power level as it was at that particular time.

Superman takes strength, willpower and arguably reflexes and combat speed, Surfer takes the rest.

Superman on everything easily until misc powers, depending on how we define that one. Because if we mean amount of tasks you can acccomolish, it’s Surfer, but if we mean effectiveness of power, it’s Superman again.

Originally posted by Astner
Yes. That's why I called it a retcon. Because later on, at the end of Dark Crisis it's explained that the Fail-safe story takes place "some time later."

- Dark Crisis #7

Originally posted by Astner
Oh, never-mind then.

Superman takes strength, willpower and arguably reflexes and combat speed, Surfer takes the rest.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman on everything easily until misc powers, depending on how we define that one. Because if we mean amount of tasks you can acccomolish, it’s Surfer, but if we mean effectiveness of power, it’s Superman again.

Originally posted by Stoic
Huh? Superman just became the Living Tribunal’s footstool. Thor is still contending with Galactus level characters, and the Surfer is supposed to become the Fallen One. All three have interesting directions, but in terms of comparison’s?

Thor has the Surfer on power, while Superman remains unreachable, and gaining distance.

Superman needs but think and he can be at the end of the Universe, shatter anything with a tap, lift any amount of weight by simply willing it, Etc. What’s there to talk about? This new Superman seems to have been pushed to Doctor Manhattan levels.

Footstool? You mean his boss.

Originally posted by Stoic
Huh? Superman just became the Living Tribunal’s footstool. Thor is still contending with Galactus level characters, and the Surfer is supposed to become the Fallen One. All three have interesting directions, but in terms of comparison’s?

Thor has the Surfer on power, while Superman remains unreachable, and gaining distance.

Superman needs but think and he can be at the end of the Universe, shatter anything with a tap, lift any amount of weight by simply willing it, Etc. What’s there to talk about? This new Superman seems to have been pushed to Doctor Manhattan levels.

There will be a bunch of butt hurt people over things that matter little. However, Superman currently blows these cats out of the water. He’s stoopid powerful. DC will never allow another mainstream comic book character to be more powerful than Superman they have a 110% match guarantee attached to Superman, because that’s his real super power, which is to be more powerful than any one character to full groups of characters. He will always get another buff. Just get used to it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dark crisis is simply incorrect because Green Arrow is alive in Failsafe arc and that puts it before Dark Crisis.

I bring this up because this is exactly how our spat will turn out if I engage you on this subject. You'll do you, I'll correct you, and you'll dismiss the rebuttal on the premise that I'm being too stringent in my analysis, not not granting you the interpretive freedom to dismiss the scene.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, you have been trounced on this before. Surfer is only more versatile than Superman, any other category especially power? Superman utterly crushes Surfer.

Even then the core of your argument was that Green Lanterns had survived inside black holes. Which didn't work in context of the debate for two reasons: it's not quantifiable, and because even Dazzler has survived inside of a black hole after a temporary buff by Galactus, see Dazzler #11 for the context.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Astner is like darthgoober and naija boy had a kid, just dumber if that was possible.

Abhi, this insult doesn't work. This is like calling a 6'8" guy a midget. If you want your insults to be effective you have to anchor them in insecurities of whoever you're trying to insult.

Even the people I frequently disagree with and insult know better, here are some examples from this month:

Originally posted by Sin I AM
However Astner is too high brow for this forum. He always has been. But I imagine he relishes his intellectual superiority

Originally posted by MrMind
i think astner is just bored, dont get me wrong he is well versed in comic books

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
He is a highly intelligent guy, no doubt,

Originally posted by cdtm
No, Astner is what you call "normal".

Or perhaps a better term is "well adjusted". His conversation with Whirly and the support for either kind of shows how far off the deep end the current regs are.

Speaking of which, I only remember seeing you being insulted for your intelligence or more aptly: the lack thereof. But I digress.

Originally posted by Astner
Retcons are retroactive, hence the name. You attempted something similar not too long ago where you were trying to dismiss the fact that Dark Crisis made the Multiverse infinite, and when I pointed out the holes in your explanation your final excuse was, and I'm paraphrasing: "comics don't make sense."

I bring this up because this is exactly how our spat will turn out if I engage you on this subject. You'll do you, I'll correct you, and you'll dismiss the rebuttal on the premise that I'm being too stringent in my analysis, not not granting you the interpretive freedom to dismiss the scene.

No I haven't. The reason I gave up on the debate is because you started to dig into the feats of unrelated characters to compensate for Superman's lack of comparable feats, while simultaneously downplaying the Silver Surfer.

Even then the core of your argument was that Green Lanterns had survived inside black holes. Which didn't work in context of the debate for two reasons: it's not quantifiable, and because even Dazzler has survived inside of a black hole after a temporary buff by Galactus, see Dazzler #11 for the context.

The telemarketer calling the optimization engineer stupid.

Abhi, this insult doesn't work. This is like calling a 6'8" guy a midget. If you want your insults to be effective you have to anchor them in insecurities of whoever you're trying to insult.

Even the people I frequently disagree with and insult know better, here are some examples from this month:

And unlike you, I'm not in part of the House of El or some other circle-jerk group that would garner any unwarranted praise.

Speaking of which, I only remember seeing you being insulted for your intelligence or more aptly: the lack thereof. But I digress.

U mad? 😂