Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your posts make me think you lack a basic understanding of exposition. In writing brevity is key. And you want a play by play acknowledgement of events
Dark is taking every statement from that comic as facts when that's not the case since most of the statements mentioned in that issue were false.
So how do you decide which are false, then?
What if I turned around and said Umar's realm wasn't really destroyed, despite what she said?
You know, using your logic. We didn't see EVERY single planet in the entire DD destroyed (just like we didn't see EVERY single person killed). All we have to go on are the words of Umar, just like all we have to go on are the words of Strange and Banner, which you say are wrong.
So why can't I take Umar's words as wrong?
After death and destruction, they would all be restored back at the same time. The fact that Hulk and Betty were shown (while the dimension was still destroyed) proves that they didn't die.
Hulk thought he would die (in his statement before the incident) but he actually didnt. He underestimated himself.
Prediction statement =/= post analysis statement
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So how do you decide which are false, then?What if I turned around and said Umar's realm wasn't really destroyed, despite what she said?
You know, using your logic. We didn't see EVERY single planet in the entire DD destroyed (just like we didn't see EVERY single person killed). All we have to go on are the words of Umar, just like all we have to go on are the words of Strange and Banner, which you say are wrong.
So why can't I take Umar's words as wrong?
So we pick and choose is what you're saying? Or we can actually go by what's shown on panel. Either accept all or end this debate, please.
Originally posted by h1a8
After death and destruction, they would all be restored back at the same time. The fact that Hulk and Betty were shown (while the dimension was still destroyed) proves that they didn't die.Hulk thought he would die (in his statement before the incident) but he actually didnt. He underestimated himself.
Prediction statement =/= post analysis statement
I think they were the first to br resurrected. If they didnt die, wouldn’t they still be engaged in a fight while everything else was getting recreated? It’s been awhile since I read it but weren’t they far apart from each other at the end when everyone else was still down.
Hulks own words. We’re gonna fight, we’re gonna die and then we’re gonna fight some more.
After they collide everyone, the dark dimension is being shown as getting destroyed. Then they show Umar first from a distance. No hulk, Beatty or anyone else. They are dead. Then they show umar talking to Amadeus and Sophia speaking with Umar. Then the hulk is shown walking back into a fight with Betty. Hulk even says hello again, meaning they left the battlefield.
If the hulk and Betty had never died, they would have been fighting non stop.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85they actually did draw a wide shot from a distance and only Umar was shown and the ground was still reforming.and from the distance it looked like umar was reforming first. Blue light from distance.
Yeah it's a comic showing sequential events. Unless the artist panned out and drew a wide shot of the entire area and drew every single combatant, using it as some kind of proof of a sequence is wrong.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Hulks own words. We’re gonna fight, we’re gonna die and then we’re gonna fight some more.
After they collide everyone, the dark dimension is being shown as getting destroyed. Then they show Umar first from a distance. No hulk, Beatty or anyone else. They are dead. Then they show umar talking to Amadeus and Sophia speaking with Umar. Then the hulk is shown walking back into a fight with Betty. Hulk even says hello again, meaning they left the battlefield.If the hulk and Betty had never died, they would have been fighting non stop.
Strange also tells Cho that everyone was going to die.
Of course, these characters aren't real. It's Pak telling us - through the characters - that everyone was going to die.
Originally posted by Diesldude
they actually did draw a wide shot from a distance and only Umar was shown and the ground was still reforming.and from the distance it looked like umar was reforming first. Blue light from distance.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No I'm asking YOU how do you pick and choose. YOU. You are picking and choosing.Actually read my post, lmao.
In this conversation, when did I pick and choose? Show me in this thread where I picked statements and held on to it.
Did Hulk get stuck in the dark dimension? Yes or no
Originally posted by carver9
In this conversation, when did I pick and choose? Show me in this thread where I picked statements and held on to it.Did Hulk get stuck in the dark dimension? Yes or no
When Strange said that no one was going to survive:
Amadeus knew it too. And that was what the Hulk wanted.
Banner said the magic would resurrect EVERYONE:
So. Do you pick and choose? Do you accept this? If you don't, then you are picking and choosing to suit your agenda, with no explanation whatsoever beyond - 'I don't like it'.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When Strange said that no one was going to survive:Amadeus knew it too. And that was what the Hulk wanted.
Banner said the magic would resurrect EVERYONE:
So. Do you pick and choose? Do you accept this? If you don't, then you are picking and choosing to suit your agenda, with no explanation whatsoever beyond - 'I don't like it'.
So they were lying when they said Hulk would be stuck in the Dark Dimension for eternity? We can't take everything at face value when they said that everyone there will be suffering for an eternity except Hulk and Betty since people were able to leave? Is that what you're saying?
Originally posted by carver9
So they were lying when they said Hulk would be stuck in the Dark Dimension for eternity? We can't take everything at face value when they said that everyone there will be suffering for an eternity except Hulk and Betty since people were able to leave? Is that what you're saying?
So again, are you asking in good faith as to why Hulk and Betty could leave?
Because my original question still stands. If I have an explanation that explains how Hulk and Betty could leave, would you actually answer mine?
Hint: Hulk could still wish as he had wishing power. You might not like the explanation, but it is AN explanation. It's miles better than yours, which is 'I don't like it, so I, Carver9, will pick and choose which statements I like'.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So again, are you asking in good faith as to why Hulk and Betty could leave?Because my original question still stands. If I have an explanation that explains how Hulk and Betty could leave, would you actually answer mine?
Hint: Hulk could still wish as he had wishing power. You might not like the explanation, but it is AN explanation. It's miles better than yours, which is 'I don't like it, so I, Carver9, will pick and choose which statements I like'.
Yes, explain why Hulk, Betty, and Fing Fang was able to leave when it literally said they would burn for an eternity. Also explain why it mentioned Fang making a wish to conquer a world and two of the world's he was on, the Dark Dimension and Earth, he conquered neither...
And then explain why Hulk had to touch the machine here to make his wish...
And here...
Yeah so I ask you to explain, and you hit back with a question.
Classic Carv.
But ok
Foom got neither, because the Hulk had more power than him and his wish was more powerful.
He then had to touch it because the machine was built to parse their wishes EXACTLY. No bad repercussions. They literally say this
Answer me this, what was the machine built for lmao. Did you read the story?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah so I ask you to explain, and you hit back with a question.Classic Carv.
But ok
Foom got neither, because the Hulk had more power than him and his wish was more powerful.
He then had to touch it because the machine was built to parse their wishes EXACTLY. No bad repercussions. They literally say this
Answer me this, what was the machine built for lmao. Did you read the story?