Originally posted by cdtmOf course I'm not. If I'm spewing illogical bullshit, I welcome people to call me on it. 👆
Galan himself isn't above questioning
Originally posted by cdtmIf you're applying that kind of logic to DB-lore, then you should apply said logic to comic-lore, right?
Power scaling, character statements, fan calculations, it is all [b]BULLSHIT. [/B]
Based on those panels, no. As you said, he's just fighting.Devoid of any other information, it's just pretty lights, like in the clip you posted in OP
So back on topic. Cyborg outputs million decibels, Owlman isn't even kod. On panel, canon.
Illogical? Yes. More illogical than someone outputting universal plus attacks! No
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Based on those panels, no. As you said, he's just fighting.Devoid of any other information, it's just pretty lights, like in the clip you posted in OPSo back on topic. Cyborg outputs million decibels, Owlman isn't even kod. On panel, canon.
Illogical? Yes. More illogical than someone outputting universal plus attacks! No
So Mobius isn't planetary, gotcha (that's some funny sh**).
If Cyborg has consistently been shown as Universal, then yes. One offs ain't crap. Please watch DBZ. You shouldn't participate in their threads.
Originally posted by Galan007
Of course I'm not. If I'm spewing illogical bullshit, I welcome people to call me on it. 👆If you're applying that kind of logic to DB-lore, then you should apply said logic to comic-lore, right?
I do though. 🙂
That scan I showed wasn't any sort of hyperbole, it was Superman actually sitting out naked in an exploded Source Wall energy with the Anti Life entity raging next to him. The Source energy capabilities are all based off feats, we KNOW they're Multiverse plus, the same way we know an Infinity Gauntlet or Beyonders abilities.
On a lower level, Odin and other skyfathers like Surtur actually bust galaxies on panel, as opposed to Perfect Cell merely being all talk.
Basically what I'm saying is Dragon Ball feats are few and far between. They tend to talk big and have since early Z, but the actual performances have been the same since Z as well, same collateral damage, same tricks.
Originally posted by carver9
So Mobius isn't planetary, gotcha (that's some funny sh**).If Cyborg has consistently been shown as Universal, then yes. One offs ain't crap. Please watch DBZ. You shouldn't participate in their threads.
'One-offs', Carver says.
Here are a few times Cyborg has fired off one million decibels of sound:
But wait! Carvy will say those are too old. OK, so more recent examples:
So that's....eight times I casually found out, across time periods, Pre-Crisis, Post Crisis. Using character statements AND narration.
For reference, how often has Silver Surfer created a black hole? Once, across his ENTIRE publication history, since the 60s (for comparison, Cyborg, a team member, has only been around since the 80s).
How often has Hulk gone WBH?
How often has Gladiator gone faster than a blink of a god's eye?
How often has...well, you get the picture. The three I have named have fewer examples than Cyborg has of firing one million decibels, and in the case of Hulk and Surfer, they have FAR more appearances than poor Cyborg, who is mostly in team books. Hell, Aquaman has his White Martian feat used more often on the forums than that, based off a single showing.
You know, it's probably even more times than Wally has used the IMP. So food for thought.
And all this was just found after a couple of minutes of Googling. If I cared more I'm sure I'd be able to find more examples of Cyborg's one million decibel cannon.
Sound "loudness", expressed in decibels, is given by
(source: wikipedia). The reference pressure is p_ref = 20 µPa (i.e. 20 micropascals).
Thus, 1 000 000 dB is equivalent to a rms pressure of p = 2*10^49995 Pa. That is, 2 followed by 49995 zeroes. This is of course much larger than the ambient pressure (ca. 10^5 Pa) so Cyborg's sound wave cannot be of the usual type, i.e. it cannot constitute of small oscillations in pressure around the mean ambient pressure. Instead, we can ignore the ambient pressure entirely and conclude that a million-decibel sinusoid pressure wave must have its "carrier pressure" (= the average pressure about which the pressure oscillates) at around 2*10^49995 Pa.
This carrier pressure in and of itself would hit the target with a terrible force. If Cyborg's attack hits a 10cm-by-10cm surface (which seems like a reasonable assumption, based on the Raven scan) it'd produce a force equal to 2*10^49993 N (newtons). Under standard g this force could lift a mass of 2*10^49992 kg.
The mass of the visible universe is about 2*10^53 kg. Thus, Cyborg's one-million-decibel sound attack is strong enough to push the mass of 10^49939 (visible) Universes at 1g acceleration. That is, 1000000....0000000 Universes, where the number has 49939 zeroes.
Originally posted by Magnon
Sound "loudness", expressed in decibels, is given by(source: wikipedia). The reference pressure is p_ref = 20 µPa (i.e. 20 micropascals).
Thus, 1 000 000 dB is equivalent to a rms pressure of p = 2*10^49995 Pa. That is, 2 followed by 49995 zeroes. This is of course much larger than the ambient pressure (ca. 10^5 Pa) so Cyborg's sound wave cannot be of the usual type, i.e. it cannot constitute of small oscillations in pressure around the mean ambient pressure. Instead, we can ignore the ambient pressure entirely and conclude that a million-decibel sinusoid pressure wave must have its "carrier pressure" (= the average pressure about which the pressure oscillates) at around 2*10^49995 Pa.
This carrier pressure in and of itself would hit the target with a terrible force. If Cyborg's attack hits a 10cm-by-10cm surface (which seems like a reasonable assumption, based on the Raven scan) it'd produce a force equal to 2*10^49993 N (newtons). Under standard g this force could lift a mass of 2*10^49992 kg.
The mass of the visible universe is about 2*10^53 kg. Thus, [b]Cyborg's one-million-decibel sound attack is strong enough to push the mass of 10^49939 (visible) Universes at 1g acceleration
. That is, 1000000....0000000 Universes, where the number has 49939 zeroes. [/B]
I think you made a slight mistake when calculating the force.
You said the cross sectional size of the blast was about 10cm by 10cm (you assumed a square shape). I would assume more of a circle with a radius of 12-15cm.
But that's not important as that's not the mistake.
10cm by 10cm = 0.1m by 0.1m = 0.01m^2
Force = Pressure/Area = 2e49995/0.01 N =2e49997 N
Thus your result should be larger.
But 2e49993 vs 2e49995 is irrelevant as both are universal amounts of force.
Lol thanks math magicians!!!!
Btw, am fully 100% in agreement that it's complete and utter stupidity that he's pumping out one million decibels, lol. But that's not the point here.
Point is, he is and he does. As written multiple times, across his entire history. Moreover, for this thread, his targets are also being hit by one million decibels, and surviving it.
So whoever is the weakest person to take it. Probably still Owlman.
Judging by the Tournament of Power;
If a rock can hurt them, and they can tank a beam, that proves their beams hurt as much as a rock.
Clearly their planets are weak.
Jiren did not even destroy all those same rocks.
Therefore Iron Fist face tanks a Jiren attack.
Originally posted by h1a8
I think you made a slight mistake when calculating the force.
You said the cross sectional size of the blast was about 10cm by 10cm (you assumed a square shape). I would assume more of a circle with a radius of 12-15cm.But that's not important as that's not the mistake.
10cm by 10cm = 0.1m by 0.1m = 0.01m^2
Force = Pressure/Area = 2e49995/0.01 N =2e49997 N
Thus your result should be larger.But 2e49993 vs 2e49995 is irrelevant as both are universal amounts of force.
Einstein, Newton and Pascal are playing hide and seek. Einstein is it, so he starts to count to 50. Pascal instantly runs and hides. Newton, however, does not move but instead draws a 1 meter by 1 meter square on the ground with a stick, and stands in it.
Einstein finishes counting, opens his eyes, immediately sees Newton, and declares that he has been found. But Newton just points to the square under him and shouts "No, I'm Pascal! I'm Pascal!".