Sue Storm vs Superman (one twist)

Originally posted by h1a8
1. A drop of Superman's blood, thrown by him, was able to damage the handle of WW'S blade. If his blood is extremely durable then so is his organs. I can post the scan if you want.

2. Superman was punched with insane force with no internal damage. No brain damage, heart or lung damage, etc. His insides would become mush if they weren't durable. No scans needed since you and everyone else has seen Superman punched by a very strong character.

3. Superman can store astronomical air pressure (super compressed) in his lung without them being damaged. Also his lungs can store air of near absolute zero temperatures too. Cold enough to freeze high class 100s. No scans needed as you seen Superman breath feats.

4. Superman has accelerated with millions of g forces. His insides (if not durable) would detach, flatten, and liquidfy. No scans needed since you seen Superman accelerate to many times faster than light before.

5. Superman has gotten extremely close to singularities and his insides stay intact.

Spiderman survived a punch from Hulk, handled a hit from Thor, and Hercules. Withstood an attack from the Ultimate nullifer. Blast from Surfer, Firelord, Thing. His insides did not turn to mush after the attack. Sue nor Manchester Black can hurt him.

You're right. Storing air is far more powerful than the things Invisible Woman has damaged. You got me there.

Damn, Gladiator has swam in stars for fun and withstood blasts that created a star and had enough power to shed half of a solar system, but he still couldn't break Sue shields. Also, I thought black holes were only 1000 tons? Why are you mentioning this for Superman?

Is this you?

Originally posted by h1a8
The pressure inside a black hole can be less than 1000 tons. It all depends on how close you are to the singularity and how massive the black hole is.

Originally posted by carver9
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Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman survived a punch from Hulk, handled a hit from Thor, and Hercules. Withstood an attack from the Ultimate nullifer. Blast from Surfer, Firelord, Thing. His insides did not turn to mush after the attack. Sue nor Manchester Black can hurt him.

You're right. Storing air is far more powerful than the things Invisible Woman has damaged. You got me there.

Damn, Gladiator has swam in stars for fun and withstood blasts that created a star and had enough power to shed half of a solar system, but he still couldn't break Sue shields. Also, I thought black holes were only 1000 tons? Why are you mentioning this for Superman?

Those guys held back on Spider-Man, especially Hulk. If they didn't then Spidey would be a bloody smear.

Blasts don't have the amount of concussive force as physical strikes do as to affect insides in the same manner.

Manchester Black has nothing to do with this rebuttal.

Storing pressures of many tons per square inch of air within the (lungs) results in insane levels of force on the lungs. Compressing the lungs with such forces as to produce MANY tons of air force. The ability to hold near absolute zero air temperature without the lungs freezing and breaking into pieces. So you missed the point. The point is that Superman's lungs can resist many many tons of force and near absolute zero temperatures.

Swimming in stars is not proof of strength as to break someone's shields that are assuming more durable than Superman.

Withstanding blasts is not the same thing as physical strikes.

You have a reading comprehension problem. I never said black holes were 1000 tons. I said the forces inside one can be less than 1000 tons DEPENDING ON HOW CLOSE TO THE SINGULARITY ONE IS. Can be and is are 2 separate things.
Superman was extremely close to a singularity (multiple times) and thus forces beyond millions of tons was exerted on him and his insides.
You even defeated yourself from your misunderstanding. Assuming black holes are 1000 tons (im copying your bad English) then you have to provide proof that Sue can expand her bubbles with more force than 1000 tons.

You forgot insane g forces when Superman accelerates.

Originally posted by h1a8
Those guys held back on Spider-Man, especially Hulk. If they didn't then Spidey would be a bloody smear.

Blasts don't have the amount of concussive force as physical strikes do as to affect insides in the same manner.

Manchester Black has nothing to do with this rebuttal.

Storing pressures of many tons per square inch of air within the (lungs) results in insane levels of force on the lungs. Compressing the lungs with such forces as to produce MANY tons of air force. The ability to hold near absolute zero air temperature without the lungs freezing and breaking into pieces. So you missed the point. The point is that Superman's lungs can resist many many tons of force and near absolute zero temperatures.

Swimming in stars is not proof of strength as to break someone's shields that are assuming more durable than Superman.

Withstanding blasts is not the same thing as physical strikes.

You have a reading comprehension problem. I never said black holes were 1000 tons. I said the forces inside one can be less than 1000 tons DEPENDING ON HOW CLOSE TO THE SINGULARITY ONE IS. Can be and is are 2 separate things.
Superman was extremely close to a singularity (multiple times) and thus forces beyond millions of tons was exerted on him and his insides.
You even defeated yourself from your misunderstanding. Assuming black holes are 1000 tons (im copying your bad English) then you have to provide proof that Sue can expand her bubbles with more force than 1000 tons.

You forgot insane g forces when Superman accelerates.

The guys you mentioned held back against Superman. Also, like you used in an argument before, Superman endured those attacks due to plot.

So you're saying Colossus punch>the UN? Do you know what the Ultimate Null is?

Show me a scan of Superman storing tons of force from holding his breath. Scan please.

Post a scan of Superman at the singularity of a black hole.

YOURE the one that said 1000 tons, not me.

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman survived a punch from Hulk, handled a hit from Thor, and Hercules. Withstood an attack from the Ultimate nullifer. Blast from Surfer, Firelord, Thing. His insides did not turn to mush after the attack. Sue nor Manchester Black can hurt him.

You're right. Storing air is far more powerful than the things Invisible Woman has damaged. You got me there.

Damn, Gladiator has swam in stars for fun and withstood blasts that created a star and had enough power to shed half of a solar system, but he still couldn't break Sue shields. Also, I thought black holes were only 1000 tons? Why are you mentioning this for Superman?

Not that I don’t believe you, I don’t, do you have scans if this?

Originally posted by carver9
The guys you mentioned held back against Superman. Also, like you used in an argument before, Superman endured those attacks due to plot.

So you're saying Colossus punch>the UN? Do you know what the Ultimate Null is?

Show me a scan of Superman storing tons of force from holding his breath. Scan please.

Post a scan of Superman at the singularity of a black hole.

YOURE the one that said 1000 tons, not me.

I didn't mention the guys. So why would you claim they held back?
We all know Superman's villains (like DD, etc) wasn't holding back.

I call BS on the UN feat. Post the issue or scan.
But for shits and giggles, let's assume you are not wrong about the feat (context and writer's intent). Then do you believe Sue can hurt Spider-Man? Serious question. If so, then wouldn't that mean Sue >>>> UN?

Superman blowing away tonnage of shit means his lungs was subjected to such forces. Superman holding lakes of water in his lungs. Millions of gallons of water inside human sized lungs would create a pressure beyond anything comprehensible. Slightly Pressurized water can break steel as easy as I can break a fortune cookie.

You not familiar of the feat where Superman is holding a singularity?
You not familiar with the feat where Superman escapes a double black hole? Assuming Superman was the distance that makes 1000 tons then the onus is still on you to show Sue bubbles >> 1000 tons.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't mention the guys. So why would you claim they held back?
We all know Superman's villains (like DD, etc) wasn't holding back.

I call BS on the UN feat. Post the issue or scan.
But for shits and giggles, let's assume you are not wrong about the feat (context and writer's intent). Then do you believe Sue can hurt Spider-Man? Serious question. If so, then wouldn't that mean Sue >>>> UN?

Superman blowing away tonnage of shit means his lungs was subjected to such forces. Superman holding lakes of water in his lungs. Millions of gallons of water inside human sized lungs would create a pressure beyond anything comprehensible. Slightly Pressurized water can break steel as easy as I can break a fortune cookie.

You not familiar of the feat where Superman is holding a singularity?
You not familiar with the feat where Superman escapes a double black hole? Assuming Superman was the distance that makes 1000 tons then the onus is still on you to show Sue bubbles >> 1000 tons.

H1, you're such a troll. Sue was able to not only shield an entire planet but turn the entire planet invisible.

https://ibb.co/P6XpY7Y

The shields were so strong that she was able to temporarily hold back Sentry and the entire cancerverse...

https://ibb.co/8KmS1n0

Let me guess, you're going to call Sentry a weakling. Ya know, the same Sentry (yep, this is the one) that lifted and overpowered a planet size Celestial that was stronger than every being on the planet, combined. Ya know what I am going to do? I am going to give you fts directly from the comic that Sue held him back with her PLANETARY shields.

Sentry was so powerful that he ripped a hole in space with his bare hands. He ripped a hole from the cancerverse to the main universe with the palms of his hands...

https://ibb.co/zJ442w4
https://ibb.co/ypCGg26

He was so powerful that the combine strength of Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Nova Prime, Guardian, along with others, couldn't even hold him...

https://ibb.co/fpcPmGh
https://ibb.co/XZXQLjv

But yet Sue temporarily endured his punches towards her shields WHILE covering an entire planet and turning the planet invisible.

Just for fun, post Superman blowing away lakes and tornadoes. Troll. Lol at steel.

Originally posted by carver9
H1, you're such a troll. Sue was able to not only shield an entire planet but turn the entire planet invisible.

https://ibb.co/P6XpY7Y

The shields were so strong that she was able to temporarily hold back Sentry and the entire cancerverse...

https://ibb.co/8KmS1n0

Let me guess, you're going to call Sentry a weakling. Ya know, the same Sentry (yep, this is the one) that lifted and overpowered a planet size Celestial that was stronger than every being on the planet, combined. Ya know what I am going to do? I am going to give you fts directly from the comic that Sue held him back with her PLANETARY shields.

Sentry was so powerful that he ripped a hole in space with his bare hands. He ripped a hole from the cancerverse to the main universe with the palms of his hands...

https://ibb.co/zJ442w4
https://ibb.co/ypCGg26

He was so powerful that the combine strength of Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Nova Prime, Guardian, along with others, couldn't even hold him...

https://ibb.co/fpcPmGh
https://ibb.co/XZXQLjv

But yet Sue temporarily endured his punches towards her shields WHILE covering an entire planet and turning the planet invisible.

Just for fun, post Superman blowing away lakes and tornadoes. Troll. Lol at steel.

Even if you use Death Seed Sentry Celestial feat (which you can't) then Superman is still astronomically stronger by feats.
You know a star is magnitudes above a planet and millions of stars is several magnitudes above that.

You are extremely deluded and don't understand the scale of things.
Lifting a tank = lifting a planet in your eyes lol. You are arguing shit that magnitudes BELOW Superman.

And you can't use ABC logic that way. You can't use Sentry's best strength feats to prove how strong the Shields are. You have to use his average. Because Sentry has lows and I can just as easily use his lows to prove how strong the shield is.

Ripping a hole in space is not a strength feat.
Superman swallowed a lake, not blew one away. Work on your comprehension. Millions of gallons of water inside his lungs.

THAT WAS ALL THE SAME SENTRY FROM THE SAME COMIC. I'm done debating this.

Originally posted by h1a8
The strength of Sue's shield has nothing to do with the force she can exert expanding bubbles.
None of those feats come close to even proving that Sentry is even half as strong as Superman.

Even if you use Death Seed Sentry Celestial feat (which you can't) then Superman is still astronomically stronger by feats.
You know a star is magnitudes above a planet and millions of stars is several magnitudes above that.

You are extremely deluded and don't understand the scale of things.
Lifting a tank = lifting a planet in your eyes lol. You are arguing shit that magnitudes BELOW Superman.

And you can't use ABC logic that way. You can't use Sentry's best strength feats to prove how strong the Shields are. You have to use his average. Because Sentry has lows and I can just as easily use his lows to prove how strong the shield is.

Ripping a hole in space is not a strength feat.
Superman swallowed a lake, not blew one away. Work on your comprehension. Millions of gallons of water inside his lungs.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Spot on!

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Originally posted by carver9
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Originally posted by carver9
THAT WAS ALL THE SAME SENTRY FROM THE SAME COMIC. I'm done debating this.

If i list 5 DIFFERENTreasons why my argument wins and you only defeat 1 of them then did you defeat my argument? You are silly indeed.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
No, but the point was someone can affect Superman's insides doesn't mean another character can do the same. I.E, that is no limits fallacy

Originally posted by ODG
True but if you were to compare the sheer power/durability of Sue's forcefields and Manchester Black's telekinesis, you might find Sue's feats superior.

What are Sue's feats for Exerting force expanding bubbles? Strength of shields are not the same as strength to expand a bubble.

Also Superman insides have feats of withstand millions (possibly more than billions of tons of force). So either Manchester TK has nothing to do with overpowering durability or it contradicts Superman's feats or Manchester is that powerful. Pick one of the 3.

H1, he's not going to waste time with you like I did.

Originally posted by carver9
H1, he's not going to waste time with you like I did.

Doesn't matter. My point stands.

I've already proven that Superman's insides can withstand pressures above millions of tons per square inch. Can Sue exert more pressure than that?
Prove it.

You want to use Hulk's best feats as the level he will be operating at in a forum then you should have no problem with others doing the same for other characters. Superman's insides have quantifiable feats. All you have to prove is that Sue can exceed that level of force.

You didn't prove anything.